A Dance with Dragons: part 3 of 3.
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alexandralThe third part of the book was the best , most likely because all the characters are back !
Jon:
Finishing the book, I am convinced that Jon's part in ADWD is a mirror of Ned's part in A Game of Thrones, and it ends in a similar way. Martin seems to like to write about fatal mistakes. Jon seems to have moments of wisdom and makes some really good decisions, but at the end, he wastes it all with the decision that rivals worst of Ned's, Robb's, and Cat's mistakes in it's recklessness. And of course, the situation in the Night's Watch was incendiary due to the wildlings joining the Night Watch, so deciding to quit it all in this very unstable moment and march to Winterfell was something that can only be called madness (for the point of reference, Jon's intention to go ranging to Hardhome was a very very bad decision too).
My apologies to Jon's fans on my friends list, I want him dead. I am getting wary of the impending "Dany and Jon rule the Westeros together". And why Jon has to survive when Ned and Robb had to pay for their mistakes? Why Catelyn had to turn into an evil zombie? What is special about Jon? I want no resurrections and no Azor Ahai re-born. It is interesting, however, that what brings his downfall is something he tried to do so many times - his attempt to leave the Night's Watch and his position. He never actually accepted that he doesn't belong to himself anymore.
I am quite annoyed at him for not paying any notice to Melisandre as well. Ok, Jon, I may "understand" your religious intolerance because it is so common in Westeros, but when you see some solid proof that Melisandre does actually see some truth in her fires? Listen to a female, for once! Keep Ghost with you!
On Stannis and his fate
I am convinced that Ramsay is bluffing and Stannis is fine. Otherwise, how Ramsay does not know that Theon and Jeyne joined Stannis? The crazy guy is bluffing. I shudder to think of the fate of Mance Rayder and his spear wives, though.
Cersei
I might turn into a big fan of Cersei. I loved her chapters. The way she dealt with her "punishment" made me respect her, and she is always a good read. What a strong woman. I even relate to her somehow. Plus, the Zombie Mountain as Ser Robert Strong? This is so scary, but good scary!
Quentyn
As much as I liked Quentyn, note to self: do not try to steal a dragon.
Dany
I am really glad Dany's story has started getting somewhere at the end of the book, but I am still not that enthusiastic. It took a whole book for her to realise that dragons need training (wasn't this obvious from the start, that she needed to train the dragons from their young age?) and that she does not belong in Meereen? And she still doesn't seem to realise what kinds of disasters she has inflicted on Meereen, Astaphor and other cities by her actions? It was all her own doing, all of it! Utopias do not work! Hopefully she will start going somewhere - but what if we have her riding with Khal Jhaqo for the whole of the next book?
Also - Daario!!! I hope he was one of those corpses that the Yunkish were using in their trebuchets. One mentioning of his beautiful gold tooth and I am going to be sick. I have a feeling Martin was trolling his readers here, he was going on and on and on about the beauty of the gold tooth a little too much. Or does Martin have a gold tooth fetish?
Barristan Selmy
His chapters were wonderful, they gave us such a great inside into his character, as well as some interesting information about the past. I have argued once that I believe one thing: Barristan Selmy would have never laid a finger on Sansa, even if he was ordered by Joffrey. Even if he would have stayed in King's Landing (if Joffrey didn't dismiss him) , Barristan would have refused to beat a child. He would have gone against his "king". By that time Barristan was tired turning the blind eye to everything that was happening in King's Landing, tired to obey the orders of drunkards and crazies, and this would have been a "straw that broke the camel's back". I am convinced of this after ADWD.
Regarding the past: I don't think Ned was the father of Ashara Dayne's baby, and Barristan never actually said "Ned", he said "Stark boy". But is it my love for Ned talking, the fact that I can't believe that "my Ned" was able of abandoning the mother of his child? It was Ned who danced with Ashara at Harrenhal. But it was Brandon Stark who talked to Ashara for Ned!
Victarion
Victarion's were one of the best chapters for me, because they were linked with the magic side of the series. I think Victarion is the corpse captain in Dany's prophesy. The corpse Captain might be someone else, for example, Euron, but my bets are on Victarion, for two reasons. The main reason is that Dany needs the Iron Fleet, and I can't quite picture Euron captaining the fleet. The second reason is that the corpse captain in the prophesy smiles sadly, and again, I can't quite see Euron smiling sadly, he is not that type.
On black cat with a torn ear
I agree with the opinion that the cat that is mentioned in Kevan's chapter is Princess Rhaena's little black kitten. The cat is the right age (old for a cat which makes him over 10) , and there is no coincidence that this cat is mentioned again and again (this cat was the same cat that Arya used to chase in her days with Syrio).
Epilogue
Varys is the one of the main players in the Game of Thrones, and he appears at the end, killing poor sensible Kevan Lannister. What a pity, he was such a good Hand.
PS if I have to chose a religion in Westeros, it will be either the Old Gods (I am a Northern girl) or R'hllor , because both Melisandre and Moqorro seem to be quite powerful.
Jon:
Finishing the book, I am convinced that Jon's part in ADWD is a mirror of Ned's part in A Game of Thrones, and it ends in a similar way. Martin seems to like to write about fatal mistakes. Jon seems to have moments of wisdom and makes some really good decisions, but at the end, he wastes it all with the decision that rivals worst of Ned's, Robb's, and Cat's mistakes in it's recklessness. And of course, the situation in the Night's Watch was incendiary due to the wildlings joining the Night Watch, so deciding to quit it all in this very unstable moment and march to Winterfell was something that can only be called madness (for the point of reference, Jon's intention to go ranging to Hardhome was a very very bad decision too).
My apologies to Jon's fans on my friends list, I want him dead. I am getting wary of the impending "Dany and Jon rule the Westeros together". And why Jon has to survive when Ned and Robb had to pay for their mistakes? Why Catelyn had to turn into an evil zombie? What is special about Jon? I want no resurrections and no Azor Ahai re-born. It is interesting, however, that what brings his downfall is something he tried to do so many times - his attempt to leave the Night's Watch and his position. He never actually accepted that he doesn't belong to himself anymore.
I am quite annoyed at him for not paying any notice to Melisandre as well. Ok, Jon, I may "understand" your religious intolerance because it is so common in Westeros, but when you see some solid proof that Melisandre does actually see some truth in her fires? Listen to a female, for once! Keep Ghost with you!
On Stannis and his fate
I am convinced that Ramsay is bluffing and Stannis is fine. Otherwise, how Ramsay does not know that Theon and Jeyne joined Stannis? The crazy guy is bluffing. I shudder to think of the fate of Mance Rayder and his spear wives, though.
Cersei
I might turn into a big fan of Cersei. I loved her chapters. The way she dealt with her "punishment" made me respect her, and she is always a good read. What a strong woman. I even relate to her somehow. Plus, the Zombie Mountain as Ser Robert Strong? This is so scary, but good scary!
Quentyn
As much as I liked Quentyn, note to self: do not try to steal a dragon.
Dany
I am really glad Dany's story has started getting somewhere at the end of the book, but I am still not that enthusiastic. It took a whole book for her to realise that dragons need training (wasn't this obvious from the start, that she needed to train the dragons from their young age?) and that she does not belong in Meereen? And she still doesn't seem to realise what kinds of disasters she has inflicted on Meereen, Astaphor and other cities by her actions? It was all her own doing, all of it! Utopias do not work! Hopefully she will start going somewhere - but what if we have her riding with Khal Jhaqo for the whole of the next book?
Also - Daario!!! I hope he was one of those corpses that the Yunkish were using in their trebuchets. One mentioning of his beautiful gold tooth and I am going to be sick. I have a feeling Martin was trolling his readers here, he was going on and on and on about the beauty of the gold tooth a little too much. Or does Martin have a gold tooth fetish?
Barristan Selmy
His chapters were wonderful, they gave us such a great inside into his character, as well as some interesting information about the past. I have argued once that I believe one thing: Barristan Selmy would have never laid a finger on Sansa, even if he was ordered by Joffrey. Even if he would have stayed in King's Landing (if Joffrey didn't dismiss him) , Barristan would have refused to beat a child. He would have gone against his "king". By that time Barristan was tired turning the blind eye to everything that was happening in King's Landing, tired to obey the orders of drunkards and crazies, and this would have been a "straw that broke the camel's back". I am convinced of this after ADWD.
Regarding the past: I don't think Ned was the father of Ashara Dayne's baby, and Barristan never actually said "Ned", he said "Stark boy". But is it my love for Ned talking, the fact that I can't believe that "my Ned" was able of abandoning the mother of his child? It was Ned who danced with Ashara at Harrenhal. But it was Brandon Stark who talked to Ashara for Ned!
Victarion
Victarion's were one of the best chapters for me, because they were linked with the magic side of the series. I think Victarion is the corpse captain in Dany's prophesy. The corpse Captain might be someone else, for example, Euron, but my bets are on Victarion, for two reasons. The main reason is that Dany needs the Iron Fleet, and I can't quite picture Euron captaining the fleet. The second reason is that the corpse captain in the prophesy smiles sadly, and again, I can't quite see Euron smiling sadly, he is not that type.
On black cat with a torn ear
I agree with the opinion that the cat that is mentioned in Kevan's chapter is Princess Rhaena's little black kitten. The cat is the right age (old for a cat which makes him over 10) , and there is no coincidence that this cat is mentioned again and again (this cat was the same cat that Arya used to chase in her days with Syrio).
Epilogue
Varys is the one of the main players in the Game of Thrones, and he appears at the end, killing poor sensible Kevan Lannister. What a pity, he was such a good Hand.
PS if I have to chose a religion in Westeros, it will be either the Old Gods (I am a Northern girl) or R'hllor , because both Melisandre and Moqorro seem to be quite powerful.
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Date: 2011-09-05 03:36 pm (UTC)If Jon and Dany rule I will quit. I don't want this AT ALL! I think the 7 should break up really... no more squabbling.
I think Stannis is okay too. I pray that he is!!! I love him.
Cersei <3 all I can say
hehe R'hllor <3 just cause I'd want to see Mel. But probs the 7 since I'm a Southern girl XD
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Date: 2011-09-05 03:54 pm (UTC)I think Martin never kills any of his major characters "behind the scenes", so both Jaime and Stannis are fine.
I still can't see any prof Seven work - I like my religions to work. :D
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Date: 2011-09-05 05:00 pm (UTC)Which is why I think Cersei might live too...
I doubt I'd be really into any of them but R'hllor is interesting.
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Date: 2011-09-05 08:58 pm (UTC)Dornish ladies always were my bing loves, but my main girlcrush is Asha.
Als - Theon/Jeyene. Please AMrtin, make this happen somehow.
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Date: 2011-09-05 09:33 pm (UTC):D Asha is cool
I'm totally backing this ship! Poor Jeyne <3
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Date: 2011-09-06 12:11 pm (UTC)I think I enjoy seeing LF more on tv than in the books
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Date: 2011-09-06 08:12 pm (UTC)guygiant.