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I am successfully re-reading through "A Feast for Crows", only 150 pages left! I will finish the book by Tuesday, it seems. One of the in-your-face things that I noticed is how much Jaime loved and still loves Cersei. This feeling seems to be so sad and so one-sided, as there is nothing in Cersei's chapters to indicate that she ever loved him in any way other than as her own mirror and as a convenient sex-buddy. But he is still so much in love with her, I am really interested to find out what is going to happen to them next.

I am so saaaaaaaaaad! And a little bit shipping them together, may be one day she will learn what she had and let go of (I mean Jaime's love)?

There is a handful of new Nikolaj Coster-Waldau pictures:







Date: 2011-07-10 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thinking-lotus.livejournal.com
mmmmmmm.

Cersei doesn't love anyone except herself and her children, ime, but somehow it's not her fault.

Date: 2011-07-10 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Cersei doesn't love anyone except herself and her children, ime, but somehow it's not her fault.

Do you think her upbringing is to blame? Sometimes I think :"yes, to some degree", but then I remember that both Jaime and Tyrion were brought up by the same Lord Tywin, and they seem to be capable of love.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geeklee.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you and noticed the same thing when I was reading affc. I wondered if it wasn't grrm's way of showing a transition of jaime loving cersei to jaime loving brienne and how each woman "loves" him back. It is already remarked upon that brienne wipes his arse when he coudn't and that cercei never would.

I think grrm is going to make a couple of them to show jaime's growth shallow, scheming cersei to loyal, plain brienne while brienne will have to struggle with whether to break an unjust vow to kill jaime. Loving him will make it that much harder.


It would be nice to have cersei realize what she's lost when its too late :) I don't know that its anyone's fault that she is so self absorbed.

And isn't nikolaj super sexy in that picture with the hoodie!

Date: 2011-07-10 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I think on my first reading I for some reason concluded that Jaime is much more in love with Brienne than I notice it now. I ship them so much (so it must have been my wishful thinking), it is sad for me to read all those passages where everything he could think of is Cersei.

And yes, Brienne is so much better, it seems that Cersei can not care less for Jaime. I AM SAD! What if Jaime does not love Brienne and what he feels is just friendship/respest/whatever?

I am not too worried about the vow, I think Brienne will not keep it if she makes it.

It would be nice to have cersei realize what she's lost when its too late :)

It would. I don't think this is likely to happen, though. She does not seem to care.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geeklee.livejournal.com
i actually don't think jaime loves brienne yet. i think it is coming. although you make a good point about jaime maybe never wanting her. idk. i think of how he jumped into the pit with the bear. and how he now says her name...and how brienne calls out for jaime when she is in trouble.

it looks like it could happen. it feels right to me because when we first meet jaime, there is no way he would give this woman a second thought. now he's dreaming of her and coming to her rescue.

i almost wish it would just so cersei can lose it all over again. she would think he'd gone mad. but i think you're right - she does not seem to care.

Date: 2011-07-10 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Yes, i agree with you. I think this is possibly the early-middle stages of falling in love and it can go either way. I do think Martin will continue the way his started, but at the same time - Martin? I would not try to second guess him. He is a mystery.

I think Brienne is fully in love with him, though. She does remember Renly, but more in a vague, "I can not remember his face" way.

but all in all, I do not think those two will be ever .. cough couhg .. doing it. As much as I want them to, I do not think theirs is this type of love. I think we are in for years and years of UST.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marinshellstone.livejournal.com
yum. double triple quadruple yum.

Jaime+Brienne forever...is this just wishful thinking?

Date: 2011-07-10 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I am a bit worried about things that might happen to Jaime and Brienne in the future. Whilst I think that Brienne will not make a vow to kill Jaime or it will be canceled somehow, I do worry if Jaime loves her or not.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
Ahh he is FLAWLESS ♥♥♥

+I love your little discussions. I have to say whilst Jaime certainly loves Cersei more... I think it has to be said that she does love him. She does say things, not a lot, but they do show that she does love him. She knows that she is not complete without him and argh idk they are so complicated! But ultimately I don't think one can be without the other. No matter what happens I believe they have to be together.
(and I can't stand the idea of them not...*cries*)

Date: 2011-07-10 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** laughs ** When I am truly obsessed with something I tend to get very verbose and want to talk about the subject all the time. I don't get THAT obsessed too often.

Although I never ever shipped Jaime and Cersei, I just want him to be happy and have what he wants, even if this means Cersei. There was a passage in AFFC where he admits that he did everything in his life for Cersei.

Date: 2011-07-10 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
LOL I don't mind - it's great!

I think they are one of my oldest ships and I just love them so much -
there is something about them, their whole situation that just draws me in... Yeah, his world does revolve around her.

Date: 2011-07-10 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I think on my first reading I mised few things. I still don't think I shipping them as in: want them to live happily ever after (because this is not possible), but there is a definite :stab ypu in your heart" quality in their situation that I like so much in my ships.

Date: 2011-07-10 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
definately won't have the fairytale end but I hope they end up together in some way.
Yeah a lot of my ships are really tragic (also cause they are non-canon).

Date: 2011-07-10 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I tend to always ship canon ships, I can not do anything with myself. But I think both Sansa/Sandor and Jaime/Brienne are canon ships, non-canon are something like Jon/Sansa or Jaime/Sansa (which can be nice, but they never ever spoke a word to each other).

Date: 2011-07-10 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
I have some but a lot of other ones tend to be tragic canon and some, like Harry Potter, I take a lot of liberties and ship like crazy. I have to say I dislike Jaime/Brienne - not because of my die-hard C/J ship but because I just don't see it more than friendship at least.
With aSoIaF I'm pretty canon actually, rather surprising XD

Date: 2011-07-10 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh, I meant to write Jaime/cersei in the previous comment.

I think Brienne is head-over-the-heels in love with jaime, though, and I think Jaime is on his way. But You never know with Martin.

The only non-canon ship in ASOIF I ship is Jaime/Loras,. :D

Date: 2011-07-10 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
XD ah right

Mmm idk idk! That's so true, he can totally screw with us.

Oh interesting ship - I think I should have a dabble around and look into other ships. Though atm I just want SanSan and Stannis/Melisandre

Date: 2011-07-12 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I used to be really fascinated with Melisandre at some point.

Date: 2011-07-12 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themirrorofsin.livejournal.com
I just can't help but like her, my third fav female character.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kem-viva.livejournal.com
I really don't understand the cersei/jaime ship because it is so one sided and is not a healthy relationship because cersei just use. Jaime to do what she can't. Maybe before it was healthier but by the end of asos they are just so different. They are both changing in ways that lead them even more apart from each other personality and morals wise as well. I think Brienne is better suited to be in a relationship with Jaime now, but he is still hung up on Cersei which is kind of understandable since she was the only woman he ever loved or was with. I think he is more obsessed with the fact that she 'cheated' on him where as he was faithful to her. He at least subconsciously has strong feelings for Brienne imo though because of how he punches the guy out in Affc. I just don't know if he has realized that or if it is just a bff relationship.

Those pics dayuum NCW so beautiful.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I never shipped them as well, but I I hated Cersei with the strength of hundred suna before. I used to think : "But she is so evil! She is so bad for him!" . I do still think she is evil, but he seems to want her in quite a heart-breaking way. He is jealous, yes, but then there are passages where he watches her in a bath and he is so IN LOVE.

I just want to understand what Jaime thinks. :D I guess I always hated love trianges, especially proper love triangles as Jamie/Cersei/Brienne, where it is not really cleary whom he loves.

Date: 2011-07-11 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kem-viva.livejournal.com
I feel like he is obsessed with this image he had of her in his mind, where they were the same person only he was a man and she a woman. Since he was in the dungeons of Riverrun his physical appearance has changed almost to represent the mental change he has experienced. It is becoming more and more obvious that what they had before was almost like a fantasy they constructed. Now they are just growing apart, where as Cersei was a bit sympathetic before now she is becoming more paranoid and evil, Jaime is trying to regain his honor. The only way I can see them coming back together is if one of their change is reversed.

Date: 2011-07-12 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I am not sure. I think this is how Cersei felt about him. In Jaime's case I thought it was something different. MAy be he did not see her in realistic way. I think from what I read it seems like one of those "just because" loves, with no explanation.

Date: 2011-07-10 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geeklee.livejournal.com
He at least subconsciously has strong feelings for Brienne imo though because of how he punches the guy out in Affc.

this!

i am so anxious to see how this turns out...

but alas it won't be until book 6 i hear.

Date: 2011-07-11 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kem-viva.livejournal.com
And who knows when we will get that :/

Date: 2011-07-10 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunnytyler001.livejournal.com
Poor Jaime. I hoped he'd moved on but... :S

Date: 2011-07-10 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
It is complicated. :D He seems to be in love with two women at once - I do hate love triangles so/

Also - I just finished re-reading the chapters about Quiet Isle and Sandor Clegane. The thing I want the most is to know what he is truly like now. Imagine Sandor clearing tables at the monastery? I WANT TO KNOW what is going to happen to him next.

Date: 2011-07-10 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunnytyler001.livejournal.com
The poor love XD He must be like a lion in a cage XD or maybe he's eaten by guilt and remorse and think it's his punishment?
Anyway, all his "There is no true knight" make me think that, in the end, he will turn out to be/become a true knight. And yes, his stay at the monastery and the wisdom of the Elder brother will play a part in it.
He'll leave the monastery to save sansa and kill his brother... But, s the prophecy says, sansa is the Maid with the purple serpents in her hair and she will slay the Giant aka Gregor... So I guess, Sandor & Gregor will fight, Sandor will be close to loose but Sansa will save him XD (in her castle of snow... Winterfell?)

And YES for Jaime/Brienne/Cersei... But i'm afraid this will end badly... Most likely Cersei being jealous of Brienne and poisoning her (or send Gregor to kill her?). This will end Jaime's love for his sister and... he'll kill her? (another prophecy, I think...)

Date: 2011-07-10 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I think he must be in the process of seriously re-thinking his life, in the way that Elder Brother guy did. I am very curious as to who the Elder Brother is, as well. I bet he is someone important from the past and we will hear more about him.

I do think it will be Brienne who will save Sansa, because she is so determined. But there is a possibility they will meet and do it together?

But, s the prophecy says, sansa is the Maid with the purple serpents in her hair and she will slay the Giant aka Gregor... So I guess, Sandor & Gregor will fight, Sandor will be close to loose but Sansa will save him XD (in her castle of snow... Winterfell?)

That mightbe Eyrie, it is pretty cold and snowy there. And Sandor might not be there, who knows what Martin will do?

Date: 2011-07-10 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunnytyler001.livejournal.com
I like the idea of Jaime/Brienne/Sandor teaming up to save Sansa.
But Lady Stoneheart MUST be the one who kills Littlefinger. :D After all, he's the one who betrayed her husband, killed her sister, kisses her daughter :S
Petyr Baelish, if she hears about this, you're DEAD XD

Date: 2011-07-10 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Yes, but Lady Stoneheart seems to think eveything is Jaime's fault! I don't think Catelyn made too many good decisions when alive, and she is the same dead.

But YES. I would love for Littlefinger to die from her hands, nothing would make me happier.

Date: 2011-07-10 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stacefaceex.livejournal.com
Wow, he's preeeetttty ;)

Date: 2011-07-12 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I am so shallow. Very shallow.

Date: 2011-07-10 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nutmeg3.livejournal.com
How can he be so yummy?

The interesting thing for me about AFfC, which I just finished rereading last night, is how I felt so much of what Jaime was doing was falling out of love with Cersei. In doing so, I think he actually paints her somewhat darker than she deserves, because I think she loves him as much as she's capable of loving a man, though her love becomes more selfish as her grasp of reality starts to fade.

As for Jaime and Brienne, I ship them, too, but I don't know if we're going to get our wish. I think his feelings for her may end up being more of a lesson in what to appreciate and respect in anyone - a partner, a friend, whatever - and not something romantic. Though I will be very happy to be proven wrong.

Date: 2011-07-12 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I agree with you re: Jaime falling out love with Cersei, but the process in not complete, not at all. I want to know more, hopefully the new book will provide some info.

I don't think Jaime is going to be WITH Breinne , in the same way I don't think Sandor is going to be WITH Sansa. I think both relationships are just the vehicles to push the characters forward. But this is why I love the relationships. :D

Date: 2011-07-11 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessdeep.livejournal.com
Great pics. I'm snagging them to possibly use in an icon challenge. :)

EDIT: I really like the last one. I think if he didn't have that long hair I would get over the fact that he looks like Prince Charming on Shrek. lol.
Edited Date: 2011-07-11 01:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-12 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
They are by a good photographer,Adam Fedderly. I shamelessly stolen them.

The last one is the best, it is made as if he really looks AT you. I like him with short hair more, as well.

Date: 2011-07-11 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoopid-silly.livejournal.com
Jaime needs to have sex with someone besides Cersei (BRIENNE!!) so bad it's not even funny. Poor Jaime, but he's kind of pathetic in Feast too.

Date: 2011-07-12 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
This is a really good point. I do not think they are ever going to have sex together, though. And to tell the truth, I night have not liked it, I ship them but not in quite that sense.

But he does need to find someone, anyone really.

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