The fact that Pullo has the courtesy to ask if he can take the peaches (rather than grabbing them after Cicero is dead) is actually much more respectful to me.
For me, it is not that he took them with or without asking, it is that he did think about peaches more then about the other man’s death (and more important, voiced it!). Especially such an important politically man; and not noticing that he is important is showing Pullo to be a simpleton. I think that even THINKING about the peaches right at the moment of someone’s death is sort of disrespectful. It is true, I remember thinking about all kinds of silly things during funerals, we can’t help these things sometimes, but voicing things like that is a different thing. I don’t like Pullo looking “simple” here, but I guess I was just reading something into his character that was not there. We have to agree to disagree. :D
And no, I don't think nailing Cicero's hands to the Senate door is NEARLY as bad as raping his daughter would have been - for one thing, he is already dead.
Again, can we agree to disagree? She is at least ALIVE and can do something about it in the future. Cicero can’t do anything! His corpse is dishonoured for centuries!!!
I think Cicero almost dies content, because he believes his message will get to Brutus and Cassius in time.
I think he realises that this is THE END and there is no other way and accepts it, but I didn’t see him being content. He was scared, very scared. But he was glad that he managed to send the letter, I agree.
I don't see this as a contradiction - I think these two elements in the personalities of Pullo and Vorenus have been there all along. It is just difficult to watch them kill people who are more likeable than Erastes!
That I guess what I wanted to see – for them to be more conscious about the murders!!! But arynsnx made a good explanation of this and “Pullo liking violence”, I am going to adopt it for now.
there is honor in being a soldier, and a structure and honor to the violence of being a soldier
This is what is confusing for me, actually – that Pullo looked very sad viewing the fields of Mutina. I took is that he saw the ugly side of war and any sort of violence. But I guess I was just reading into something again.
Now, onto the Vorenus family dynamic - yes, Vorena is much happier (and I like that Vorenus has hired a kind of governess to watch his daughters) but I do not think that Vorenus is himself the cause. She's still furious with him
Oh, yes, I agree, but I was glad to see her getting better! Vorenus is still clueless, but I am still VERY hopeful that he and his daughter are going to be reconciled.
But I do think there will be some terrible horror for Pullo’s baby and Eirene
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Date: 2007-02-23 03:51 pm (UTC)For me, it is not that he took them with or without asking, it is that he did think about peaches more then about the other man’s death (and more important, voiced it!). Especially such an important politically man; and not noticing that he is important is showing Pullo to be a simpleton. I think that even THINKING about the peaches right at the moment of someone’s death is sort of disrespectful. It is true, I remember thinking about all kinds of silly things during funerals, we can’t help these things sometimes, but voicing things like that is a different thing. I don’t like Pullo looking “simple” here, but I guess I was just reading something into his character that was not there. We have to agree to disagree. :D
And no, I don't think nailing Cicero's hands to the Senate door is NEARLY as bad as raping his daughter would have been - for one thing, he is already dead.
Again, can we agree to disagree? She is at least ALIVE and can do something about it in the future. Cicero can’t do anything! His corpse is dishonoured for centuries!!!
I think Cicero almost dies content, because he believes his message will get to Brutus and Cassius in time.
I think he realises that this is THE END and there is no other way and accepts it, but I didn’t see him being content. He was scared, very scared. But he was glad that he managed to send the letter, I agree.
I don't see this as a contradiction - I think these two elements in the personalities of Pullo and Vorenus have been there all along. It is just difficult to watch them kill people who are more likeable than Erastes!
That I guess what I wanted to see – for them to be more conscious about the murders!!! But arynsnx made a good explanation of this and “Pullo liking violence”, I am going to adopt it for now.
there is honor in being a soldier, and a structure and honor to the violence of being a soldier
This is what is confusing for me, actually – that Pullo looked very sad viewing the fields of Mutina. I took is that he saw the ugly side of war and any sort of violence. But I guess I was just reading into something again.
Now, onto the Vorenus family dynamic - yes, Vorena is much happier (and I like that Vorenus has hired a kind of governess to watch his daughters) but I do not think that Vorenus is himself the cause. She's still furious with him
Oh, yes, I agree, but I was glad to see her getting better! Vorenus is still clueless, but I am still VERY hopeful that he and his daughter are going to be reconciled.
But I do think there will be some terrible horror for Pullo’s baby and Eirene