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A long while ago, I did a post about films definitely worthy to watch, but too disturbing for yours truly’s comfortable consumption. I am afraid I have a winner in this category. As I am so fascinated with all things Korean at the moment (And I do not lie to myself and admit that this has all to do with amazing Bi/Rain), I was looking for some interesting film to watch on the weekend and came across "The Isle".

Director Kim Ki-duk: South Korean director, born in the working class family in 1960, he started working at the factory at the age of 17. When he reached the age of 30 (so much for the late start!!) he went to Paris, buying a ticket by collecting every penny he had. In Paris Kim Ki-duk lived on selling his paintings on the street and took part in the script-writing contests. The break-through came for him in 1993 with the the top award from the Educational Institute of Screenwriting. The most inetersting thing about Kim Ki-duk is that though he is apparently very well recognised and critically received internationally, he fails to impress Korean audiences. I actually don’t find this unlikely at all, considering the nature of his films.
Some of the films he has made:

“Spirng, Summer, Autumn, Winter.. and Spring”
“3-Iron”
“Coastguard”
“Samaritan Girl”
“The Bow”
“Time”

The story: The film takes place on a remote fishing resort – a beautiful lake with floating huts for the people who want to come and fish. As any beautiful lake, it has it’s own Spirit – mute girl Jung Suh who makes her living by selling all sorts of things to fishers, including herself. When a young man troubled by his past memories comes to the Lake to hide from the police, Jung Suh saves him from suicide attempt and becomes obsessed with him.

Actors The actress playing the main heroine Jung Suh, Hee-Jin, is beyond words. This is probably the first time in my memory when a character who did not utter a single word during the cause of the film managed to keep my attention absolutely captivated. Usually in films, if there is a character unable to speak, we get his/her thoughts translated into words, like in “Dear Frankie”. What we get in “The Isle” is complete silence, the honest way to feel the world in which a mute person could be living in.

Allegory There were many many levels of allegory in “The Isle”. If I felt I can stomach watching this film again, it could be interesting to see more of these levels unravel. Initially I thought that the main theme is about the nature of love, about the inherent cruelty of any romantic relationship (OK, I don’t agree with this personally, but I can see the point!). People go about sticking fishing hooks into each other and maiming each other and themselves in passing. It doesn’t make any difference that the wounds we create are invisible and the hooks which we use are invisible too. This doesn’t make it all any less painful.

Another level of allegory I remembered later, the old-time metaphor that sea (or lake in this case) is a representation of the human conglomerate/population. And here it all connects with the drowning as a metaphor for loosing ourselves in this world.

Disturbing Part Saying all this, oh boy! “The Isle” had some of the most disturbing scenes EVER! I am still considering if the use of these scenes was justified in a sense of the message Kim Ki-duk was trying to convey, but at the moment my answer is “No”. Some of the cruel and painful to watch scenes did come across to me as just pure fascination with cruelty on the aprt of director. (only my own opinion)

PS My next film to watch is “Kung fu Hustle” That should be a happy film, right???

Date: 2006-11-02 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syliasyliasylia.livejournal.com
OMG! I saw The Isle in the cinema when I came out a couple or so years ago... disturbingly captivating!!! However, I don't think I would be able to watch it again. I also liked 3-Iron a lot... and Spirng, Summer, Autumn, Winter.. and Spring.

If you want to watch some more comercial Korean movies, you can try "My Sassy Girl", which is a adorable comedy. I'm a big fan of "Windstruck", but it's a combination of comedy/romance plus really dramatic scenes (get lots of kleenex handy if you watch this one). You may like Bichunmoo, it has beautiful costumes and tragedy, and it's a period film.

Kung fu Hustle was very fun to watch, with stunning action scenes and plenty of hilarious moments. I'll be looking forward to your thoughts on it!

Date: 2006-11-02 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I also liked 3-Iron a lot... and Spirng, Summer, Autumn, Winter.. and Spring.

** Writes down recs very quickly ** . I have seen “Bichunmoo” , I am sorry , I did not like it that much at all, it was far too pretentious for my tastes. I have heard about “My Sassy Girl” from koala, I want to watch it very badly! Though this is not an easy film to find in UK, it seems. I don’t like downloading films at all :(

I'm a big fan of "Windstruck", but it's a combination of comedy/romance plus really dramatic scenes (get lots of kleenex handy if you watch this one).

Good ending? No one wonders into the snow-covered wilderness?Funny enough, I can cope with almost any ending in independent films, but not in commercial ones!

Kung fu Hustle was very fun to watch, with stunning action scenes and plenty of hilarious moments.

EEEEE! I have heard so much good about this film! I am really looking forward to see it!

Date: 2006-11-02 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syliasyliasylia.livejournal.com
Good ending? No one wonders into the snow-covered wilderness?Funny enough, I can cope with almost any ending in independent films, but not in commercial ones!
Well, the ending is kind of hopeful. There's a tragic twist in the middle of the film, which makes the female protagonist very sad and upset during the second part of the movie... but the ending is beautiful, hopeful, and romantic.

Date: 2006-11-03 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Sounds really good! ** Adds this film to the list of "movies to see". And thank you for satisfying my curiosity - I am such a spoiler junkie!

Date: 2006-11-02 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teh-haley.livejournal.com
I wanted to go to the cinema and see Time, but unfortunately I couldn't, but I'm going to buy the DVD, I'm just too curious and I'm fascinated by its plot, I can't wait to see it... Did you?

Date: 2006-11-02 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I wanted to go to the cinema and see Time, but unfortunately I couldn't, but I'm going to buy the DVD, I'm just too curious and I'm fascinated by its plot, I can't wait to see it... Did you?

No, unfortunately “The Isle” is the first film I have seen of Kim Ki-duk’s. I want to watch “Time” too, it is supposed to be very beautiful (in every way) as according to the reviews I have heard. Hmm. I am fascinated!

Date: 2006-11-02 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msminpdx.livejournal.com
I'm in awe of this movie. I discovered it in Seattle a couple of years ago, before I moved to Korea. The level of artistry and sophistication is up there with my Western favorites like David Lynch and Peter Greenaway. That said, the film was so visceral in its cruelty that I'd rather not revisit it for a long time. It's like Poppy Z Brite's novel Exquisite Corpse in that respect. I understood what was going on and why, in both cases, and was impressed as all hell, but... ewww!

Date: 2006-11-02 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I'm in awe of this movie. I discovered it in Seattle a couple of years ago, before I moved to Korea. The level of artistry and sophistication is up there with my Western favorites like David Lynch and Peter Greenaway.

Fantastic! I was thinking that “The Isle” reminded me of something. I definitely can see the connection with some of David Lynch ‘s films. May be in a dreamy or rather parallel-reality feel of it. Have you seen any of the other films by Kim Ki-duk? Do they all contain gruesome elements?

I understood what was going on and why, in both cases, and was impressed as all hell, but... ewww!

I know! For me, the film I can compare “The Isle” with is “Cries and Whispers”. Not so much in the films themselves, but in some disturbing scenes.

Date: 2006-11-02 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspethsheir.livejournal.com
“Kung fu Hustle” That should be a happy film, right???

It's like ballet! With knives!

Truly, a stunning and fun film.

Date: 2006-11-02 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh, I am so much looking forward to this film now!!! I feel a need for something cheery too!

Date: 2006-11-02 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baleanoptera.livejournal.com
I haven't seen The isle but I read your other post that you linked to, and I completely agree with you in regards to Ingmar Bergman. "Cries and whispers" is amazing, but I also love "Wild strawberries" and the "The Seventh Seal".The latter was the first Bergman I watched, and the one that made me realise the truth of his reputation.

Date: 2006-11-02 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I so very happy again, there is one more thing we have in common. I fell in love with Bergman's films long long ago as a teenager when my older sister took me to watch "Autumn Sonata" . I also have seen "Wild Strawberries" (GREAT!!) and my favourite is "Persona" ,, I had a short review about "Persona" here (http://alexandral.livejournal.com/41856.html#cutid1)

BTW, have you ever watched films by Kar Wai Wong? "In the mood for love"?? Amazing, amazing film!

Date: 2006-11-02 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baleanoptera.livejournal.com
Persona is so good! Geeky side note: I actually grew up in Liv Ullmann's neighborhood. She wasn't home much, being a hardworking, traveling actress who also, IIRC, lived in New York - but occasionally you could meet her. ;) It was a little surreal.

And no, I haven't watched Kar wai Wong - but it seems I must. I take it "in the mood for love" is a good place to start?

Date: 2006-11-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh, you must watch it! I had a post about "In the mood for love" too :) : http://alexandral.livejournal.com/32892.html#cutid1

And I can't contain my glee that you saw Liv Ullmann in person. Isn't she so unbelievably gorgeous?

Date: 2006-11-02 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baleanoptera.livejournal.com
She is! And the strange part is that she is almost more beautiful in real life. It's like she has a glow. It's very strange.

Ooo - and thank you for the link - I will run over and read.

Date: 2006-11-03 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I hope you will get to watch this film!!

Date: 2006-11-30 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
It's been a while now since I saw 'The Isle' and I don't remember all the details, but I think there was a final scene at the end in the boat that I was unable to interpret (at least I think that's what it was). What did you make of it?

May I add another recommendation for '3-Iron'. If you've enjoyed the wordlessness of 'The Isle' then I think you definitely will like '3-Iron'. Very mesmerising. If you'd like to have a first look at it, then I can hook you up with a trailer.

I'm not sure if you've already seen 'Kung Fu Hustle' by now, but as the others have said, it's a much more relaxing/fun movie compared to all the others you've mentioned. :)

I don't watch TV series and I very rarely squee about male actors but I'm very much interested in international, non-mainstream movies about which you seem to write a lot, so I was wondering if you would mind if I friend your journal. :)

Date: 2006-12-01 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
but I'm very much interested in international, non-mainstream movies about which you seem to write a lot, so I was wondering if you would mind if I friend your journal

Absolutely! I post about almost everything in my LJ , including a little about RL, but I love international, non-mainstream movies with the passion. I had a look at you LJ and if you don't mind, I will friend it too.

It's been a while now since I saw 'The Isle' and I don't remember all the details, but I think there was a final scene at the end in the boat that I was unable to interpret (at least I think that's what it was). What did you make of it?

Do you mean where Hee-jin is laying in the boat under the water? I see several explanations again, one of the most obvious and blunt ones is that she is finally murdered by Hyun-shik.
But for me probably it is all about the fact that Hee-jin is some sort of the water Spirit, a mermaid of a kind. I believe mermaids in the mythology often are the drowned young women and this is Hee-jin body (or her liar).

If you'd like to have a first look at it, then I can hook you up with a trailer.

This can be very nice! Thank you!

I'm not sure if you've already seen 'Kung Fu Hustle' by now, but as the others have said, it's a much more relaxing/fun movie compared to all the others you've mentioned.

I have seen it already! It was full of fun indeed!!

Date: 2006-12-01 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
You're most welcome to friend my journal. When you had a look at it then you've seen that I pretty much only write about movie trailers. But that doesn't mean that I don't like to talk about other things. If you ever have any questions, please feel free to ask.
I wrote a bit of a of personal introductory entry (http://www.livejournal.com/users/trailer_spot/38111.html) some time ago, in case you want to have a look. From time to time I also make picture posts about the World (http://trailer-spot.livejournal.com/98885.html) Cup (http://trailer-spot.livejournal.com/101159.html) and balloons (http://trailer-spot.livejournal.com/112025.html). :)

Although I don't remember the details of the ending 'The Isle', I very much like your interpretation that she was kind of a water spirit/mermaid. That would make a lot of sense.

Trailer for Bin-Jip (http://movies.apple.com/movies/sony/3_iron/3_iron_m480.mov).

Date: 2006-12-01 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Great to meet you! I had a terrible case of World cup fever myself and was very upset when Germany lost, even though I was a fan of Italian team. I don't know if this makes sense - but it could be so nice if the host have won. And they had an amazing fighting spirit. (sorry for digression).

And WOW! The trailer is so dreamy and full of emotion. And the music is beautiful. Definitely something worthy to see. Thank you!!

Date: 2006-12-02 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
sorry for digression

Digressions are always welcome. :)
Since I had a brief look at your older entries two days ago I noticed that you were very much interested in the World Cup, so I thought it might be a good idea to include the links to the picture posts. :)
It was a lot of fun around here. The event was much more than anyone had expected before the competition started. On the field and off the field.

And '3-Iron' was really a nice little movie. I'm really glad I was able to catch it here at the movie theatre.

Date: 2006-12-02 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
It was a lot of fun around here. The event was much more than anyone had expected before the competition started. On the field and off the field.

It was interesting to see so many German flags around. And it was really a well-managed event.

And thank you for the links - I have studied Computing as well (twice, once in Russia and once in UK) and I work as Oracle database developer part-time.

Date: 2006-12-02 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
Twice even, and in different countries, very interesting!

I work as Oracle database developer part-time

At Larry Ellison's company. If I had chosen the 'regular' path after I finished my study and had looked for a job at a computer company (instead of working in the banking/brokerage business) I probably would've tried to get a job at Oracle's big competitor SAP. Their headquarter is about an one hour's drive from here and they were hiring a lot of people back then. :)

Date: 2006-12-03 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh no, I don't work for Oracle! "Oracle database developer" is just a job title meaning programming on Oracle (PL/SQL, Forms, etc..) . I work for one of the Universities in their IT department, nothing exciting, though I like programming very much!.

Date: 2006-12-03 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
Oops, sorry, my bad!

I remember (very, very faintly) attending a lecture about database management and programming. :)

Date: 2006-12-03 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I remember (very, very faintly) attending a lecture about database

It is all not that bad at all. :D

Date: 2006-12-03 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trailer-spot.livejournal.com
Just to make it clear the icon wasn't meant as a comment on database management. It's just the icon I usually use when I made a mistake. :)
I have nothing against databases. Just the opposite, I like to juggle with relations and keys. ;)

Date: 2006-12-04 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Don't worry, please! I was just joking (I had really nothing to say :D)

Date: 2007-06-29 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oscuracorazon.livejournal.com
Hi, I enjoyed your thoughts on the Isle. While it had some distrubingly almost sadistic elements. I like the overlall view. No lost souls find each other and they fight to stay together and sort of take care of each other. We should all be so lucky.... but with fewer fish hooks involved. Altough perphaps these were supposed to imply that emotional pains from loss can be far worse and that words arent the basis of being able to create a bond between the wandering broken hearted...

Date: 2007-07-06 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I agree - This was a very thought-provoking film! SO many explanations!

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