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Mar. 17th, 2006 11:14 am
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I was thinking a lot today and yesterday and decided to make clear my own position on some things, mainly because at some point I did join with the fandom crowd in laughing (only indirectly and nobody probably knew, but I still did) in the latest Fandom Scandal:

Even if I find somebody’s position and actions wrong I really really dislike bad talking and mocking behind this person’s back. Even if this first person is wrong. I dislike it much more then first person’s wrong actions and positions. I am more then fine with disagreements and even arguments, and even if people say not only nice things to each other.. But mocking the others not in their presence – IS WRONG in my book..

Because of it I do apologise for having an un-intentional laugh to the person involved in the latest Fandom Scandal.

(And it is definitely JUST ME!!!!!)

Date: 2006-03-17 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koalathebear.livejournal.com
You're one of the kindest people I know dear. I don't think you ever need apologise. Having a grin is just natural sometimes ..... :) There's a bit of a difference between finding something funny and actively taking part in attacking people!!!! *hug* You make me smile, you know that? :)

Date: 2006-03-17 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
As always, you are a kindred spirit, koala and am so glad that I found these people who I can be myself with.. **Loves **

Date: 2006-03-17 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowserenity.livejournal.com
I know what you mean. Seeing this sort of drama makes me want to retreat back into my safe place. I vowed to leave this stuff behind in the Star Wars fandom (I was a real gossiper and I made sure I knew most things that were happening on the messageboard I visited). Sure I've thought about posting a little rant somedays, but... it would just make me feel horrible. And if I mock people, then I think it becomes a case of what goes around comes around, in that I'm asking to be mocked.

Hon, I think you're a good person that would never seek to hurt anyone *hug*.

Date: 2006-03-17 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Thank you very much for understanding!

Date: 2006-03-17 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syliasyliasylia.livejournal.com
*hugs you* You are a really sweet and good person :) and I totally concur with [livejournal.com profile] koalathebear just said above. Having a laugh and finding the fandom drama amusing is totally different from taking part in attacking and bitching. But mayby that's just me, I'm totally non-confrontational in real life and easygoing. *hugs you again*

Date: 2006-03-17 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I'm totally non-confrontational in real life and easygoing. Hee! I noticed that! You are a lovely easy-going person!!! Thank you!

Date: 2006-03-17 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
You are, of course, quite right! I'm afraid I have a very deep mocking streak and when people are self-righteous and self-important, it just is very hard for me to suppress that - I never know whether to lock my posts (thus sparing the whole thing from spiralling out of control entirely) or be really open about it and to it in public. Sigh!

However, you are all grown up and mature and stuff and it's great!

Date: 2006-03-17 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** Loves you to bits **

I don't mean at all to cause trouble!!! It is just about me, I didn't speak about anybody else.. Please, don't do anything!!! In fact I am feeling quite guilty now because I thought you are gone (or going) for your vacation and would not notice this post.

You see, sometimes I feel like I must speak NOW otherwise I will explode, and I usually also I can't do anything useful like work or study until I have spoken out what I need. I am prone to over-reaction, but "speaking out" is my coping mechanism...

But lets speak of HAPPY = ITALY!! How wonderful!!

Date: 2006-03-17 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
Hee! No worries, we're totally cool. It's always harder, on the internet, to kind of explain exactly what's going on (there are nuances in visual or voice communication that don't translate to print!) And I understand the "must say this now" stuff!

So no worries! And yes, Italy, WONDERFUL! Only, I must remember to tick off all the things on my list of things to do. Ack!

Date: 2006-03-17 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Hee! I must do a voice post soon (I have an accent, I warn you all!!!)

Have A GREAT time!!

Date: 2006-03-17 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
You know, i really feel it is wonderful that you responded to this post!!! I just wanted to say that

Date: 2006-03-18 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koalathebear.livejournal.com
Mini hijack sorry .... It occurs to me yet again that [livejournal.com profile] alexandral is the last person in the world who should have apologised given that she is one of the the sweetest and loveliest people in the world.

You've come out and confessed to being mocky now and then I have to confess that sometimes I'm also guilty of eye-rolling and a giggle .... It occurs to me though, that the bulk of the people who are out there doing the actual mocking and attacking are probably completely oblivious of the fact that there's anything vaguely 'not so right' about their conduct.

I suppose they feel that they're performing a necessary social service or something but I suspect it never crosses their mind that there's a difference between social commentary / satire and ..... whatever it is that they're doing. Perhaps it's a fine line. Then again I might be a little old-fashioned because it seems as though the Internet makes a lot of things all right these days that might not be quite so acceptable if they took place in an offline world.

Sorry didn't mean to ramble but your post made me think. Have a wonderful holiday in Italy.

Date: 2006-03-18 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
I don't think personal attacks ("you suck and I wish you'd crawl back under the rock you came from") are ever justified or justifiable; I do think mocking someone's BEHAVIOR/ATTITUDE is OK as long as it doesn't become personal (i.e. I have written parody badfic, just because something was too funny to pass up) becuase although I'm glad there are no actual fandom police sometimes people's behavior does violate an implicit social norm. And social norms aren't a BAD thing ;)

Thanks for the holiday wishes, and I enjoyed the ramble.

Date: 2006-03-18 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiaforrest.livejournal.com
Most of us slow down when we see a wreck. We rubber neck in one way or another. We may even try and guess what happened.

Yesterday, all four fire trucks roared out of the station, but I could tell from the sound of the sirens they didn't go far. I was tempted - So tempted - to walk to the end of the block and See more than just the black smoke belching from a not so distant structure. Instead, I prayed, like I do each time they roll out: for the firemen, the ones they are assisting & went back to work because that's the Best I have to offer. Anything else would just be getting in the way or being a Gawker at some one else's tragedy. ::shudder::

When I see the Fuss evolving on LJ - I've forced myself to stay away. When fic is mocked or a post / poster ground into the dirt - I pray and try and find something that is Good and Thoughtful on LJ to contribute to or ponder on - like your posts. Otherwise, I become what makes me ill.

Date: 2006-03-18 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
You are so right kia, as always..

I try to stay away usually and I WILL stay away from now on, not minding peer pressure and anything else.. Because yes, I feel bad about this situations myself. And what other people do/want is really up to them!!

Date: 2006-03-25 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterspel.livejournal.com
I know I'm really late with this, but I'm trying hard to catch up on LJ...as I'm sure you guessed, I agree with you 100%. Life is too short to get caught up in some of the kerfuffles on LJ - better to stay away and as Kia and Koala have both said at various times - let's see how we can make our corner of the world a little nicer rather than tear others down. At least that is definitely where I channel my energies. :) You are a very thoughtful and sweet person, my dear - you shouldn't apologize for saying any of this at all!

Date: 2006-03-25 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Thank you for understanding, dear!

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