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I think I must have said this millions of times, but I don't really like "Mother's day" (celebrated in the UK on the fourth Sunday in Lent ) , the holiday has a problem by definition - What about women who lost their mothers or their children? "Mother's" day may not be the happiest time for these women. But this doesn't stop me from greatly enjoying the presents my daughter gives me every year for Mothers day, I love presents.

But International Womens day!! I love it! Let's unite, celebrate each other and think what we can personally do to help displaced women (this year's attention point).

Happy International Womens Day, everyone!!!!!! ** big hugs **

Date: 2010-03-08 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savepureness.livejournal.com
Happy Women's Day back to you, dear ♥!

I only considered this to be Mother's Day when I was a kid; since I entered my teen years I assumed it was dedicated to all women, which of course allowed me to get present as well ;D. But even as smaller children, boys used to give us girls little presents (if they liked us enough >.>)!

Date: 2010-03-08 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Do you mean 8th of March? Yes, usually this one is for ALL women, young and old.

Or "on the fourth Sunday in Lent" - a separate holiday we have here in th UK, which is specifically called MOTHERS day , when children give presents to their mothers (and only mothers, well, sometimes grandmothers too, but never to just a girl next door). I am not sure I like this one..
Edited Date: 2010-03-08 10:10 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-03-08 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenlev.livejournal.com
*word*

And a lovely photo too. :)

Date: 2010-03-08 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs **

Date: 2010-03-08 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belka-teleutka.livejournal.com
Спасибо за поздравления!!! И Вас тоже (и дочку) - от всей души с праздником! Здоровья, счастья, нежности, любви и весны!!!
Вы всё правильно пишете, что День матери - это всё же не совсем то, никакая не замена празднику женщин. Поэтому - Да здравствует Марта!!!:))) а уж о революционных и подобных корнях праздника пусть помнят какие-нибуь ортодоксы и даже они забудут:).
Странно, а я всегдадумала, что за пределами стран бывшего СССР об этом празднике почти не знают? (я имею в виду не Вас, а Ваших френдов?).

Date: 2010-03-08 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I vas vseh posdravlyaem!!

Nu voobshe-to korni i ne talie uj revolutsionnie, prosto USSR zaadaptirovali etot prazdnik.

Date: 2010-03-08 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nutmeg3.livejournal.com
Happy IWD right back at you!

Date: 2010-03-08 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs **

Date: 2010-03-08 01:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] intermezzo
Happy Women's Day to you, too!

Date: 2010-03-08 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
EEEEEEEEEE!

Date: 2010-03-08 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
I actually like Mother's Day in the US because of its origin (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/howejwriting/a/mothers_day.htm) as it was originally intended as a day to celebrate both motherhood and to push for peace. But I do hate how commercialized it has become!

Happy International Women's Day! I will have to make some kind of special post later.

Love that picture!
Edited Date: 2010-03-08 03:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-03-08 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I think USA Mother's day is not the same as the UK's one -the roots of the UK's mother's day were initially religious and didn't have anything to do with mothers ( http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/easter/mothers.htm )

Happy IWD to you too!!!!

Date: 2010-03-08 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
Not it's not the same at all, that's why I linked to that site. We observe it in May and it doesn't really have any kind of religious origin.

And to you!!!

Date: 2010-03-08 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
The original religious meaning is long lost, however. I think it is next Sunday this year.

What I object is that the day (as it celebrated now) seem to be primary for mothers - is that the same in the USA too?

Date: 2010-03-08 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
It is celebrated for mothers and others in that role(like grandmothers or aunts or guardians) who help/raise children but that partly was the origin of the day! But what annoys me is that the other meaning of the day here - the strong anti-war theme - has long been lost.

Some are now trying to bring back that reason, every year anti-war groups make these PSAs where they have actors quote from Julia Ward Howe's poem. Some of them have been pretty powerful. Overall, though it is a day that Hallmark makes a lot of money and mothers(or women in that role)get breakfast served in bed by to them but their children! We also have Father's Day and Grandparents' Day here. Do you have those in the UK?

Date: 2010-03-08 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Sounds just like the way it goes in here too, which means - what about people who don't have children and/or lost their mothers?

We have Father's day (I think this is a fairly recent invention) but not Grandparents day (or at least, I haven't heard of it - our family is not big on these things)

Date: 2010-03-08 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
Well, as someone who has no children(and has no plans to ever have them) I have no issue with it being a day only for mothers. And I would think that most people wouldn't care that much about the day if they lost their mother unless they were quite young when they lost her. Or perhaps if they were born without parents. Because unless we go first, all of us will lose our mother at some point!

I think who the day would really affect are women who have lost children. Especially if their family made a big deal about Mother's Day.

I feel bad for the daddies on Father's Day because Mother's Day is a HUGE day here, more mail is sent for it than Christmas! But Father's Day? It's almost an afterthought for some! I mean the card companies make a big deal about it but if you forget to get your dad a gift for Father's Day it's not a big issue. But your mom? That can be a big deal.;)
Edited Date: 2010-03-08 04:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-03-08 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
When I had no children (may be because I always wanted them) I used to feel a bit sad when I was reminded about anything to do with motherhood.

Here Mothers/Fathers day are similar,may be Mother's day is a little bit bigger, but no terribly so. But none of these are in no way as big as Christmas or Easter, even Valentine's day is bigger, I think.

Date: 2010-03-08 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
Heh, well nothing is as big as Christmas but I actually think Mother's Day might be "bigger" here than even Easter! Not sure about Valentine's. It's pretty close.

Date: 2010-03-14 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh! ** is surprised ** Easter chocolate-craze is definitely the biggest thing after Christmas here.

Date: 2010-03-14 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
Well, here(and I am sure it is the same in the UK) Easter is a much more "religious" holiday. I know Christmas is technically religious as well but more non-religious folk celebrate it than observe Easter. It seems that even people who are not culturally Christian incorporate Christmas into their lives but not Easter, really. For example I know practicing Hindus who celebrate Christmas, not in the religious sense but they give away gifts and have a Christmas tree. It is just such a huge holiday and most of the things we do for it are pretty secular. Or have roots in Paganism, like the Christmas tree or even exchanging gifts. But while there definitely non-religious and Pagan(there are lot of Pagan things about Easter!) traditions with Easter there is still a stronger emphasis on the religious story when compared to Christmas I think.

I observe both even though I am an atheist as I am culturally "Christian" in the sense that my family was brought up in the belief system and almost all of my ancestors were Christians. Now, Easter is still a big holiday here but not as I said as big as Mother's Day. Not everyone grew up celebrating Easter but(almost) everyone has a mother!

Date: 2010-03-14 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Oh, so interesting. Here Easter seems to be all about Chocolate and egg-hunts. I have seen people who are not at all Christians buying chocolate for kids.

I am a Christian but I don't observe any of these Holidays in traditional, "materialistic" sense. Christmas - don't start me on this, it is such a hotch-potch of everything (and the time of the year doesn't correspond with the accounts of Jesus's birth in the Bible). Our family just takes it as a time to spend with the family. Easter - as you say, at least we know that the event of the Crucification is supposed to be around this time, but again - for us it is a time to spend with the family.

Thinking more, I remembered where from I know which holiday is "bigger" here. At the beginning of my Uk life, I worked at a supermarket for a year. The sale peak times in the UK go like this: Christmas, Easter, Valentine's day / Mother's day
Edited Date: 2010-03-14 11:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-03-14 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arathesane.livejournal.com
Oh I am sure that many non-religious folks observe it just not as many as do Christmas.

Easter is really more Pagan than anything else. At least in how it is celebrated! It is more about spring's arrival(again, Pagan), the emphasis on nature - ducks and bunnies and the like, the eggs, it's almost all Pagan.

Christmas is also quite Pagan. The date comes from the time that Christians and Mithraites were forced to share catacombs for worship when they were both being persecuted by the Romans. The date is very near the Winter Solstice which was a holy day for the Mithraites.

But the emphasis on the candy and stuff for both holidays? That's all fairly recent and can be traced back to Europe in the last couple of centuries. Santa Claus, gift-giving, those are more recent practices.

Date: 2010-03-16 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Yes, I am familiar with this. This is why we don't really get involved too much (well, I buy chocolate every week :D) - I am not sure what for I should be doing any of this.

Date: 2010-03-08 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vierran45.livejournal.com
Happy Women's Day to you as well!

Date: 2010-03-08 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs **

Date: 2010-03-08 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lage-nom-ai.livejournal.com
*hugs* Lovely flowers!

Date: 2010-03-08 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs back **

Date: 2010-03-08 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wistfulmemory.livejournal.com
Happy International Womens Day to you, too. I hope you have a wonderful day. :)

Date: 2010-03-08 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I had a wonderful day. :D My best friend gave me designer shades as a present. :D

Date: 2010-03-08 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dianora77.livejournal.com
Funny you should post lilies of the valley, my late grandpa would give them to Mum and I every March 8th.

Date: 2010-03-08 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
his sounds so wonderful - lilies of the Valley are one of my favourite types of flowers.

Date: 2010-03-08 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriesailor.livejournal.com
Happy Woman's Day! ^^ *hugs*

Date: 2010-03-08 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs back **

Date: 2010-03-08 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirena-of-c.livejournal.com
YAY! HAPPY INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY!

Date: 2010-03-08 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Happy international Womens day to you too!

Date: 2010-03-08 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teh-haley.livejournal.com
Happy Women's Day back to you, dear! ♥
I try and use this holiday to focus and to make people pay attention to certain issues each year - unfortunately, they seem to do so just once a year. But this won't stop me!

Date: 2010-03-08 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
** hugs **

Date: 2010-03-08 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
Happy Women's Day to you too! :D

Date: 2010-03-14 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: 2010-03-09 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] himmapaan.livejournal.com
A little late, but happy International Women's Day! :D

Date: 2010-03-14 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

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