Because apart of the above meaning the whole conversation shows Pullo’s complete disrespect for Cicero’s life. He can only think of peaches at the moment of Cicero’s death, peaches are more important then Cicero’s life
Oh, I totally disagree. I think he is treating Cicero as a human being - unlike the other men whom Vorenus sent to kill the Senators, whom he allowed to loot (and rape - poor Jocasta!) and slaughter without mercy. The fact that Pullo has the courtesy to ask if he can take the peaches (rather than grabbing them after Cicero is dead) is actually much more respectful to me. It's not unfeeling - just that for Pullo it is the luck of the draw; if Cicero/Brutus/Cassius had won, then someone like Pullo would be at Atia's house, plunging a sword into the necks of Antony and Octavian and Agrippa. Fortuna favors one side, then the other.
I guess in Cicero’s book nailing his hands to the doors as his arch-enemy Mark Antony wanted is most likely as bad. From his POV it must be a huge dishonor.
And no, I don't think nailing Cicero's hands to the Senate door is NEARLY as bad as raping his daughter would have been - for one thing, he is already dead. (Plus, historically, Fulvia, Antony's wife, ran his tongue through with a sword - the gesture is because his tongue and his hands - for writing - were the weapons that he used against Antony.) And he already knew, I think that this would happen if Antony "won." I think Cicero almost dies content, because he believes his message will get to Brutus and Cassius in time.
Pullo says that he LIKES violence. I am very confused!!!! Where is Pullo of the beginning of this season? Is “the old Pullo” out again?
Well, the same Pullo who tenderly took care of Vorenus is also the one who participated in the bloody slaughter of Erastes Fulmen's men. I don't think it's an either/or situation with these two men - both Pullo and Vorenus are men of violence and they have ALWAYS been men of violence because these are the times they live in (Vorenus, though he personally kills no one in this episode, is of course the one who orders the murders of hundreds of people without any compunction and of course all the little side-crimes like the rape of Jocasta are also a part of that order - and in the same episode, he is extremely tender and kind and gentle with his children.) I don't see this as a contradiction - I think these two elements in the personalities of Pullo and Vorenus have been there all along. It is just difficult to watch them kill people who are more likeable than Erastes!
What strikes me is that Pullo does not want to be an assassin any more - there is honor in being a soldier, and a structure and honor to the violence of being a soldier. Pullo once told Erastes Fulmen that he was a soldier, not a murderer - and then of course, he became a murderer for Erastes, and then after he came out of the arena, sorry for all the 'bad things' that he did, he is now again a murderer, even if this time it is for Octavian and for Vorenus. When he was in the Thirteenth, it is a different kind of violence, not the killing of unarmed and defenseless people.
Now, onto the Vorenus family dynamic - yes, Vorena is much happier (and I like that Vorenus has hired a kind of governess to watch his daughters) but I do not think that Vorenus is himself the cause. She's still furious with him - and I think the scene where he makes her take off the makeup (I too loathe Gaia) is kind of fraught with tension, so flirting with that guy is a way to get back at her father. But I do agree that he really seems to have a lovely bond with little Lucius. Perhaps this boy will be the one to 'save' Vorenus somehow (and Vorenus of course can easily adopt him to make him his heir - this is very common in Roman history, so Augustus adopted Livia's son Tiberius, for example.)
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Oh, I totally disagree. I think he is treating Cicero as a human being - unlike the other men whom Vorenus sent to kill the Senators, whom he allowed to loot (and rape - poor Jocasta!) and slaughter without mercy. The fact that Pullo has the courtesy to ask if he can take the peaches (rather than grabbing them after Cicero is dead) is actually much more respectful to me. It's not unfeeling - just that for Pullo it is the luck of the draw; if Cicero/Brutus/Cassius had won, then someone like Pullo would be at Atia's house, plunging a sword into the necks of Antony and Octavian and Agrippa. Fortuna favors one side, then the other.
I guess in Cicero’s book nailing his hands to the doors as his arch-enemy Mark Antony wanted is most likely as bad. From his POV it must be a huge dishonor.
And no, I don't think nailing Cicero's hands to the Senate door is NEARLY as bad as raping his daughter would have been - for one thing, he is already dead. (Plus, historically, Fulvia, Antony's wife, ran his tongue through with a sword - the gesture is because his tongue and his hands - for writing - were the weapons that he used against Antony.) And he already knew, I think that this would happen if Antony "won." I think Cicero almost dies content, because he believes his message will get to Brutus and Cassius in time.
Pullo says that he LIKES violence. I am very confused!!!! Where is Pullo of the beginning of this season? Is “the old Pullo” out again?
Well, the same Pullo who tenderly took care of Vorenus is also the one who participated in the bloody slaughter of Erastes Fulmen's men. I don't think it's an either/or situation with these two men - both Pullo and Vorenus are men of violence and they have ALWAYS been men of violence because these are the times they live in (Vorenus, though he personally kills no one in this episode, is of course the one who orders the murders of hundreds of people without any compunction and of course all the little side-crimes like the rape of Jocasta are also a part of that order - and in the same episode, he is extremely tender and kind and gentle with his children.) I don't see this as a contradiction - I think these two elements in the personalities of Pullo and Vorenus have been there all along. It is just difficult to watch them kill people who are more likeable than Erastes!
What strikes me is that Pullo does not want to be an assassin any more - there is honor in being a soldier, and a structure and honor to the violence of being a soldier. Pullo once told Erastes Fulmen that he was a soldier, not a murderer - and then of course, he became a murderer for Erastes, and then after he came out of the arena, sorry for all the 'bad things' that he did, he is now again a murderer, even if this time it is for Octavian and for Vorenus. When he was in the Thirteenth, it is a different kind of violence, not the killing of unarmed and defenseless people.
Now, onto the Vorenus family dynamic - yes, Vorena is much happier (and I like that Vorenus has hired a kind of governess to watch his daughters) but I do not think that Vorenus is himself the cause. She's still furious with him - and I think the scene where he makes her take off the makeup (I too loathe Gaia) is kind of fraught with tension, so flirting with that guy is a way to get back at her father. But I do agree that he really seems to have a lovely bond with little Lucius. Perhaps this boy will be the one to 'save' Vorenus somehow (and Vorenus of course can easily adopt him to make him his heir - this is very common in Roman history, so Augustus adopted Livia's son Tiberius, for example.)