You see, but Barristan speaks with actions too, when he arrests Hizdahr. There is a question raised about Hizdahr (mind you, I don’t think Hizdahr tried to poison Dany as this is too obvious, I think people who opposed the peace did, or Yunkish), and he is not ready to serve the man who is "rightful king”, he instead chooses do what he thinks is right , which is a bit hilarious as he is not used to thinking for himself. But he does it.
The same thing would have happened with Joffrey as the questions about his parentage were raised. Joffrey is not the same as Arys for Barristan, and never will be. Arys was the king of the dynasty Barristan sworn to serve, but Joffrey? A son of the "Usurper" with unclear parentage? Asking him to beat a child? Mind you, I don’t think Joffrey would have ever asked Barristan.
I just think he lost himself in trying to be the epitome of honour, and now he has to find the man he once was. As such both he and Jaime are on quest to try to reclaim the greatness of the Kingsguard, and quest which incidentally involves their own redemption.
Oh, I think so too, and I agree – he is lost in his notions of honour. Only I think he is trying to get himself un-lost (which counts) , and plus to it blaming him for something he never did (beating Sansa) is quite unfair.
There are people who hate Sandor? But why? ;) Then again I guess we all have our favourites, and Sandor is one of mine.
Oh, I think the main reason is “alcoholic maniac” or something like this. Very odd. Never mind, more for me. There are some people that like his character too, take me right! I think he is one of the characters that are either hated or liked, nothing in between.
re: Jon
Everything happens so quickly that I am not even sure now why Jon did what he did. For me the main reason was “Arya”, because how Jon could not see that Ramsay was just bluffing with his words about attacking The Wall – why wold he do that? Travel all those weeks through the showy wilderness “just in spite”? And even then – let him come, let the Night’s Watch prepare for the attack.
In any case, he could have.. you know.. explained all ins and outs to the Night’s Watch, could have chosen the decision with their counsel? As much as I don’t particular think the Night's Watch is made of very bright people, I still think Jon “owes” them his loyalty. Instead, he just abruptly told them that he forsakes his vows, that is all. What was this not-very-bright bunch of people supposed to think? That he is off and leaves them to tidy after his decisions (re: wildlings).
But the main thing, of course is that Jon HAS sworn his vows. You see, I don’t think he ever taken it seriously, 100% seriously. He keeps reminding himself of the vows , but he is still wavering.
Yeah, I think the whole "lock-up-the-wolf" thing is getting a bit old. He did it with Robb, and it was tragic. He does it with Jon, and um, it makes little sense? Martin should have found a way around that. Let Ghost be knocked unconscious trying to save Jon from Wun-Wun or something you know? Then have the conspirators strike, trying to get the knives in before the wolf wakes up. ;)
Yes, and I think this is what makes me dissatisfied with the storyline the most.
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Date: 2011-09-05 08:51 pm (UTC)The same thing would have happened with Joffrey as the questions about his parentage were raised. Joffrey is not the same as Arys for Barristan, and never will be. Arys was the king of the dynasty Barristan sworn to serve, but Joffrey? A son of the "Usurper" with unclear parentage? Asking him to beat a child? Mind you, I don’t think Joffrey would have ever asked Barristan.
I just think he lost himself in trying to be the epitome of honour, and now he has to find the man he once was. As such both he and Jaime are on quest to try to reclaim the greatness of the Kingsguard, and quest which incidentally involves their own redemption.
Oh, I think so too, and I agree – he is lost in his notions of honour. Only I think he is trying to get himself un-lost (which counts) , and plus to it blaming him for something he never did (beating Sansa) is quite unfair.
There are people who hate Sandor? But why? ;) Then again I guess we all have our favourites, and Sandor is one of mine.
Oh, I think the main reason is “alcoholic maniac” or something like this. Very odd. Never mind, more for me.
There are some people that like his character too, take me right! I think he is one of the characters that are either hated or liked, nothing in between.
re: Jon
Everything happens so quickly that I am not even sure now why Jon did what he did. For me the main reason was “Arya”, because how Jon could not see that Ramsay was just bluffing with his words about attacking The Wall – why wold he do that? Travel all those weeks through the showy wilderness “just in spite”? And even then – let him come, let the Night’s Watch prepare for the attack.
In any case, he could have.. you know.. explained all ins and outs to the Night’s Watch, could have chosen the decision with their counsel? As much as I don’t particular think the Night's Watch is made of very bright people, I still think Jon “owes” them his loyalty. Instead, he just abruptly told them that he forsakes his vows, that is all. What was this not-very-bright bunch of people supposed to think? That he is off and leaves them to tidy after his decisions (re: wildlings).
But the main thing, of course is that Jon HAS sworn his vows. You see, I don’t think he ever taken it seriously, 100% seriously. He keeps reminding himself of the vows , but he is still wavering.
Yeah, I think the whole "lock-up-the-wolf" thing is getting a bit old. He did it with Robb, and it was tragic. He does it with Jon, and um, it makes little sense? Martin should have found a way around that. Let Ghost be knocked unconscious trying to save Jon from Wun-Wun or something you know? Then have the conspirators strike, trying to get the knives in before the wolf wakes up. ;)
Yes, and I think this is what makes me dissatisfied with the storyline the most.