jaime is the kingslayer, whether his reasons are justified or not. and i believe that in the world of westeros, the people believe a knight of the kingsguard must protect the king, not kill him.
I agree, but I think this is a bit unfair, because this WAS the right thing. But I loved your comparison with Brutus - Caesar did many bad things, but Brutus still is the household name for an evil person! It is just the way it is.
i think jaime's situation is a perfect example of what grrm is trying to tell us. things aren't clear cut. things aren't always what they seem and people do bad things for good reasons and good things for bad reasons.
Yes, I agree, and also GRRM show us how good things that do do not necessarily end up well? For example, In Jaime/King Aerys's case: Rhaegar meant to do some reforms (most likely, take the throne from Aerys) after he is back from the battle. For Westeros as the whole this would have been THE BEST, not the civil war, dead children and raped women.
i also don't think jaime lost his hand as payment for killing the king. that would be too "good triumphs over evil". i think he lost his hand to force him to see things differently. had he kept his hand, i doubt his character would change as greatly as we are seeing. however, the people of westeros may see it as justice served.
I don't see it as "payment", just one of those cruel jokes of fate that Martin is so fond of. Don't you think the symmetry is interesting? I am sure he (Martin) did it on purpose.
but until he does something equally as shocking, he will be called kingslayer by the people. the people don't know how evil aerys was.
The thing is, the people of Westeros probably didn't care too much when and if Ned's father was burned alive. Which is another typical thing.
btw, i just finished reading a chapter where victarion battles. yes, i can see all the swash buckling you described in your last post. i agree, they do seem very interesting.
Heeeeeeeee! I am so so glad you are interested too. Yes, the sea battles!!
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Date: 2011-07-05 01:25 pm (UTC)I agree, but I think this is a bit unfair, because this WAS the right thing. But I loved your comparison with Brutus - Caesar did many bad things, but Brutus still is the household name for an evil person! It is just the way it is.
i think jaime's situation is a perfect example of what grrm is trying to tell us. things aren't clear cut. things aren't always what they seem and people do bad things for good reasons and good things for bad reasons.
Yes, I agree, and also GRRM show us how good things that do do not necessarily end up well? For example, In Jaime/King Aerys's case: Rhaegar meant to do some reforms (most likely, take the throne from Aerys) after he is back from the battle. For Westeros as the whole this would have been THE BEST, not the civil war, dead children and raped women.
i also don't think jaime lost his hand as payment for killing the king. that would be too "good triumphs over evil". i think he lost his hand to force him to see things differently. had he kept his hand, i doubt his character would change as greatly as we are seeing. however, the people of westeros may see it as justice served.
I don't see it as "payment", just one of those cruel jokes of fate that Martin is so fond of. Don't you think the symmetry is interesting? I am sure he (Martin) did it on purpose.
but until he does something equally as shocking, he will be called kingslayer by the people. the people don't know how evil aerys was.
The thing is, the people of Westeros probably didn't care too much when and if Ned's father was burned alive. Which is another typical thing.
btw, i just finished reading a chapter where victarion battles. yes, i can see all the swash buckling you described in your last post. i agree, they do seem very interesting.
Heeeeeeeee! I am so so glad you are interested too. Yes, the sea battles!!