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Why do you watch Asian dramas?
This comes from a comment by
blueocean80 . She mentions an article discussing "Why do non-Asians watch Asian dramas". It seems that the author's opinion is that because non-Asians are not a part of Asian culture, they can detach themselves and don't take everything personally, so they can just ignore stereotypes and clichés and enjoy dramas.
I don't agree with the writer's POV . I can never detach myself from anything I watch, be it Asian or non-Asian shows, I usually get easily deeply involved (obsessive even). I know exactly why I personally like Asian drams:
1) I personally love my stories with a start and a finish and not very long (something I must invest 7 years of my life into = no thank you). Also the format of 10-20 episodes, which is usual in Asian entertainment but not so usual in USA shows (where seasonal shows seem to be prevailing) reminds me of what we used to have in Russia.
Perpetual continuousness and lack of proper endings are my less favourite things about USA shows. A show (take Battlestar Galactica) can start with one set of premises but there is no guarantee that these premises won't be changed willy-nilly along the line (take Battlestar Galactica) and there is no guarantee that the ending won't be horrifyingly idiotic (Take Batterstar galactica). These shows aren't written as one piece, so anything can happen. So all 5 years you invested into watching a show can go to complete waste.
2) I particular enjoy the themes of romantic love, family life and period costume stories. Remind me of any single non-soap-opera or non-multiple-season USA or UK show that is about love and family? I don't remember any. There are soaps, there are multiple-season shows but I don't particular like this format (back to number 1). But there are some good short period dramas in UK, and I love them too.
3) I enjoy the "morals" in Asian dramas, I like people being serious about love, I like people who are committed to their life partners, I like stories about people being non-selfish, I like stories about people wanting to succeed in their work, etc. USA shows: in terms of love they are often about partner swapping, in terms of altruistic/selfish outlook on life there is usually more emphasis on personal achievement than on helping others or on family values.
4) I have been always interested in Asian and European cinema, ever since I was at school and our most fabulous "Culture" teacher exposed us to some of the masterpieces of that time, European and Japanese. I guess - big thanks to him!
What about you? Why do you like Asian dramas?
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I don't agree with the writer's POV . I can never detach myself from anything I watch, be it Asian or non-Asian shows, I usually get easily deeply involved (obsessive even). I know exactly why I personally like Asian drams:
1) I personally love my stories with a start and a finish and not very long (something I must invest 7 years of my life into = no thank you). Also the format of 10-20 episodes, which is usual in Asian entertainment but not so usual in USA shows (where seasonal shows seem to be prevailing) reminds me of what we used to have in Russia.
Perpetual continuousness and lack of proper endings are my less favourite things about USA shows. A show (take Battlestar Galactica) can start with one set of premises but there is no guarantee that these premises won't be changed willy-nilly along the line (take Battlestar Galactica) and there is no guarantee that the ending won't be horrifyingly idiotic (Take Batterstar galactica). These shows aren't written as one piece, so anything can happen. So all 5 years you invested into watching a show can go to complete waste.
2) I particular enjoy the themes of romantic love, family life and period costume stories. Remind me of any single non-soap-opera or non-multiple-season USA or UK show that is about love and family? I don't remember any. There are soaps, there are multiple-season shows but I don't particular like this format (back to number 1). But there are some good short period dramas in UK, and I love them too.
3) I enjoy the "morals" in Asian dramas, I like people being serious about love, I like people who are committed to their life partners, I like stories about people being non-selfish, I like stories about people wanting to succeed in their work, etc. USA shows: in terms of love they are often about partner swapping, in terms of altruistic/selfish outlook on life there is usually more emphasis on personal achievement than on helping others or on family values.
4) I have been always interested in Asian and European cinema, ever since I was at school and our most fabulous "Culture" teacher exposed us to some of the masterpieces of that time, European and Japanese. I guess - big thanks to him!
What about you? Why do you like Asian dramas?
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This is a question I get asked a lot. And when a Korean or Japanese friend asks, it gets even more uncomfortable. Most of my Korean friends don't watch dramas at all. The ones that do, have only watched the classic older ones, and not any of the new ones. So when they find out I watch them, it's kind of like an eyebrow raise, "Really? Why??". Sometimes I feel like it's almost judgmental, like a, "Why would you, a non-Korean, be watching our Korean dramas or movies??".
I'm not exactly non-Asian, since I am Filipino (even though lots of people don't really consider that Asian, okay. . ) but I watch Asian dramas for the following reasons:
(1) US TV bores the hell out of me
(2) It has an end date. I'm not committing myself to 10 seasons, I'm committing myself to 10-20 episodes.
(3) It's knowledgeable. It teaches me about other cultures that I know nothing about.
And I'm not limited to Korean/Japanese/Chinese dramas. If Filipino dramas were available with subtitles and HQ quality, I'd watch them. Same with European ones. I just enjoy new things, things that will give me an idea of how another culture lives and interacts.
Unfortunately, I still have not met any people IRL that I can share my Asian drama love with. It's my dream to one day meet a whole bunch of people who watch Asian dramas and have some sort of nifty marathon.
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I had this from a guy who lived a long time in Japan (he is British but his wife is Japanese and lives in Japan) . He was really surprised that I watch Japanese dramas. British people I blabber about Asian dramas too, they usually don't get too surprised.
I'm not exactly non-Asian, since I am Filipino (even though lots of people don't really consider that Asian, okay. . )
I am also a tiny little bit this way – strictly speaking I was born in Asia (Asian part of Russia) and when I lived there I definitely identified with "Asian part" as well as with "European part" , but this somehow doesn't ever seem to count in Britain. Russia = so not Asia. :D
(3) It's knowledgeable. It teaches me about other cultures that I know nothing about.
This is a very good point – the same for me too.
If Filipino dramas were available with subtitles and HQ quality, I'd watch them. Same with European ones. I just enjoy new things, things that will give me an idea of how another culture lives and interacts.
Me too. I watched a French show a year ago, "Spiral", it was great. In Russia we used to get a lot of Italian shows, I loved them too. And I love watching European films.
Unfortunately, I still have not met any people IRL that I can share my Asian drama love with. It's my dream to one day meet a whole bunch of people who watch Asian dramas and have some sort of nifty marathon.
I feel the same way. I met some of LJ folks in RL, though.
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1) Word! I agree with this, but heh, kdramas have a BIG con here. Most of them are written/filmed/edited while the show is currently being aired which means tptb ARE influenced by the viewers, which is not a necessarily a bad thing, but it can be potentially a disaster. Of course this happens with Western tvshows too, but I feel that the way viewers influence the shows is MUCH less marked. I can totally relate to what you said about investing your time and devotion into one show that, 5 years from the beginning, turns into something you totally didn't expect and you're left WTFing or stunned. (Re: BSG. OMG The ending was SO depressing!)
2)There are some decent shows about family here, but, well, I usually watch kdrama romances or romcoms to get my fix of romance which I can't otherwise find anywhere else. I don't know why I don't like "Western" love stories as much as I used to, but I guess UST has everything to do with it. I like the wooing, the longing and the UST...in most non-Asian dramas that kind of magic is gone. I like waiting for a kiss because when it happens? You know it means something.
3)Hmm, I guess this sort of relates to my #2, but yeah, I agree with you. In both Asian dramas and Western tvshows I like when my favorite characters achieve both personal growth and care for their family while doing so.
You can sum up my watching habits like this: Asian dramas for love/family values and Western tv-shows for, well, anything else, but it'd say I watch like 90% of kdramas and 10% of Western tvshows these days. ^^ I only watch Western procedural shows, crime shows and stuff like that. Oh and scifi, too. As much as I love Asian stuff, I realize what they do best and what they don't.
PS: another reason while I watch so many kdramas? The Korean language. I love it. I'm trying to learn it, but it's slow going. ^^
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Most of them are written/filmed/edited while the show is currently being aired which means tptb ARE influenced by the viewers, which is not a necessarily a bad thing, but it can be potentially a disaster. Of course this happens with Western tvshows too, but I feel that the way viewers influence the shows is MUCH less marked.
Yes, this is true. But I think for the writers it is still easier to write something cohesive when continuing writing over few weeks, not over few years (as with Western shows, and to add to this – the writers aren't often the same people)
but I guess UST has everything to do with it. I like the wooing, the longing and the UST...in most non-Asian dramas that kind of magic is gone. I like waiting for a kiss because when it happens? You know it means something.
I love this point. :D
You can sum up my watching habits like this: Asian dramas for love/family values and Western tv-shows for, well, anything else, but it'd say I watch like 90% of kdramas and 10% of Western tvshows these days. ^^ I only watch Western procedural shows, crime shows and stuff like that. Oh and scifi, too. As much as I love Asian stuff, I realize what they do best and what they don't.
I seem to have cycles. If there is a Western show that I am obsessed with, I tend to go heavy on Western shows watching. But other time (like for example now) – I watch 80% of Kdramas , a little bit of Jdramas and a little bit of Western shows.
PS: another reason while I watch so many kdramas? The Korean language. I love it. I'm trying to learn it, but it's slow going. ^^
I want to study Korean too.
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But I think for the writers it is still easier to write something cohesive when continuing writing over few weeks, not over few years (as with Western shows, and to add to this – the writers aren't often the same people)
You've got a point. I blame that on the fact that in Western tvshows the series-long storyline isn't usually the point of the series...it's more like a secondary goal; the journey (and in some ways the individual eps) is more important then the ending. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't (Lost for example is a MESS imho. I don't care if the writers say they know how the series is going to end and all will make sense in the end, but they lost me -heh lol- sometime during season 5. I thought they were jerking my chain and they've keep doing that since ep one. There's just so much I can put up with. I don't like being manipulated and Lost seemed to do that waaaay too often). IDK, Western series finales usually suck so when I do watch a show, I try to enjoy the individual eps and that's it. With Asian dramas I know how they're going to end, barring some major twist I didn't see coming but that's usually an exception to the rule, and that somehow makes the whole experience more enjoyable...I suffer or rejoice with the characters, I wanna know HOW they're going to end up together. You know?
I've been watching only Supernatural and from Saturday onwards I'm watching also the new Doctor Who and that's it for now. :) I do watch jdoramas, but I love Kdramas more so I tend to watch a LOT more kdramas ^^
Ooooh if you want to learn Korean, check this post I made. I'll keep it updated and you can already find a good number of resources. They're mostly free so if you have time, you can totally try to learn Korean. :)
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I agree with you on Lost – I only lasted through the half of the season 1 and decided that I don't want to be manipulated this way.
IDK, Western series finales usually suck so when I do watch a show, I try to enjoy the individual eps and that's it.
There are some rare Western shows that keep to "telling a good story with an end", HBO shows tend to be like this.
With Asian dramas I know how they're going to end, barring some major twist I didn't see coming but that's usually an exception to the rule, and that somehow makes the whole experience more enjoyable...I suffer or rejoice with the characters, I wanna know HOW they're going to end up together. You know?
hee! Exactly what I feel soften as well.
Ooooh if you want to learn Korean, check this post I made. I'll keep it updated and you can already find a good number of resources. They're mostly free so if you have time, you can totally try to learn Korean. :)
Thank you so much for the link!
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I love the length of the shows. They're easy to watch, don't draw things out forever (which is nice when the story is a romance, because you know you won't have to wait years for the couple to get together), and end in a timely manner. It's not that I dislike the American format, but it's nice to have a change.
But my main reason for watching dramas are the themes. I love romance desperately, and I love that a lot of dramas are about romance. That is something you don't really find in American tv (not including soap operas, which honestly I don't think compare at all with dramas).
As someone who is distinctly non-Asian, I do actually agree with the fact that as non-Asian, I see things differently in dramas, and can look past the cliches/etc. I also think, as a non-Asian, things that would bother me in American tv are less likely to bother me in dramas because of cultural differences (for example, the way unmarried women in their thirties are portrayed).
The weird thing about dramas, to me, is that they essentially were the beginning step to me changing my life around completely. I was never really interested in Asia prior to them, and now look at me! So I guess I also watched them for culture and language. I started studying Mandarin because of them, I went to Taiwan because of them, my life has utterly changed because of them. It's strange to say that, but it's true. Even though we all know the culture they show is whitewashed for the sake of the audience, they still show things that are so completely different from what we see in the west, that it's educational.
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yes, I absolutely agree.
I also think, as a non-Asian, things that would bother me in American tv are less likely to bother me in dramas because of cultural differences (for example, the way unmarried women in their thirties are portrayed).
Actually, I have given this a good thought , and yes – some of the things I would never ever accept in American TV I accept in Asian dramas, explaining it by cultural differences. But my sensitivity to clichés and stereotypes in Asian dramas seem to be rising with the years – some things I accepted easily 4 years ago but won't accept them now.
The weird thing about dramas, to me, is that they essentially were the beginning step to me changing my life around completely. I was never really interested in Asia prior to them, and now look at me! So I guess I also watched them for culture and language. I started studying Mandarin because of them, I went to Taiwan because of them, my life has utterly changed because of them. It's strange to say that, but it's true. Even though we all know the culture they show is whitewashed for the sake of the audience, they still show things that are so completely different from what we see in the west, that it's educational.
This is indeed a very good point – the same goes for me. I have always been interested in Asian cinema (as far as I can remember myself) and though my interest in the Asian cinema I have always been interested in Asia.
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2) Prettiness. Movie-levels of cinematography, all the time.
3) This is probably just me, but I love how dramas aren't afraid to be emotional. They don't care if they're being cheesy or sentimental or if they have long speeches on feelings or grand passionate romances with all the fixings. Sometimes I watch Western TV and it's like a game to see who cares the least, what with all the snarky asshole heroes and antiheroes and bad guys -- everyone's so afraid of being cheesy or (gasp!!!) Lifetime that they bend over backwards the other way to show cool and modern they are. I'll never forget when I was watching TVD (which is an awesome show otherwise, but this moment killed me) and someone had just done something really nice for a friend, and when the friend sincerely thanked them, they got all embarrassed and said (and I quote) "I just felt like being epic or whatever."
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All I could think was "if this were an Asian drama that would've been a touching friendship moment included in all the end montages after the friend gets run over by a bus."
So yeah, I love that dramas dare to be about feeeeeelings in a world where that's seen as lame.
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This is SO TRUE. The fear of cancellation of your favourite show because of bad ratings ! It always seems so unfair, especially considering I don't even live in USA and have no way to affect the ratings.
2) Prettiness. Movie-levels of cinematography, all the time.
Indeed! There is a particular ethereal beaty Asian films and shows seem to achieve so easily that Western films and shows never seem to be able to achieve.
3) This is probably just me, but I love how dramas aren't afraid to be emotional. They don't care if they're being cheesy or sentimental or if they have long speeches on feelings or grand passionate romances with all the fixings.
Yes, there definitely seems to be a feel of "feelings are baaaaaaad" in Western shows. This is why I like BBC period drams as well- they seem to think that the feelings were all right in "good olden times".
All I could think was "if this were an Asian drama that would've been a touching friendship moment included in all the end montages after the friend gets run over by a bus."
hahahhahahahaha!
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I don't see many Asians on American TV, so even the physical appearance of the characters and actors is a welcome change.
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Oh, this is soooooo true - I just purely LOVE the way Korean or Japanese actors look.
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Melodrama and angst and just plain emotion - it's not too cheesy to show epic love or friendship or close families. Plus, it's a long but unitary story with a guaranteed ending.
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A friend of mine and I usually comment how we are glad that Asian dramas have an end. It's something we really like about them.
They also offer me the option of watching something totally different from the awful tv we get here. It has quality, it has good plots, good stories, good (and hot) actors...
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This is such a good point. Would I like Asian dramas as much as I do I didn't like the actors so much (and there seem to be so many of them!!)?? may be not.
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as for me, i got into whole asian dramas when i watched Oshin for the first time when i was 15-16 and since then i have been addicted. being a middleastern, i see so much cultural similarities between all of the asian cultures. family values, morals, the way you see life, people...
when i came to UK years ago, i got cut of all my favourite dramas in one go and i tried to replace them with short period dramas. i still like some of them (pride and prejudice being my most favourite one of all) but still did not feel the gap of missing asian dramas.
like you said, i like them for all reason you have stated.
-they are just about right number of eps
-i love the message they do have.
-morals and values they have.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand
the fact that i find asian men SOOO HOOOOOTer than other men. heheheh
and i find myself really absorbed by them.
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for me, i got into whole asian dramas when i watched Oshin for the first time when i was 15-16 and since then i have been addicted. being a middleastern, i see so much cultural similarities between all of the asian cultures. family values, morals, the way you see life, people...
Oh! I have never heard of Oshin! Looks interesting.
the fact that i find asian men SOOO HOOOOOTer than other men. heheheh
and i find myself really absorbed by them.
I will be truthful - This is one of the main decisive factors of my liking Asian dramas so much. :D
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hehehhe, i think this is the main reason why all of us loving asian dramas. we have to admit.
Oshin is very well known 80s japanese drama.
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sometimes i feel so ashamed and embarrased for having such a looooong list of favourite actors that keeps on getting longer and longer.
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Oh if you like family dramas I totally recommend you try out the new show Parenthood. It's a really good family drama and I think you'll enjoy it. It's pretty sweet.
And I think you should stay away from Bangladeshi dramas. The people are NOT good looking. Like at all.
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This is so true. SO many times I thought "Ok, this is the craziest concept I have ever heard about" , only to find that the next concept down the line is even crazier. And they somehow manage to make things work in Jdrama which I would have never thought are possible.
Oh if you like family dramas I totally recommend you try out the new show Parenthood. It's a really good family drama and I think you'll enjoy it. It's pretty sweet.
Thank you so much! I love family dramas. The only problem is that they tend to be over 50 episodes long. I prefer the shorter ones.
And I think you should stay away from Bangladeshi dramas. The people are NOT good looking. Like at all.
Heeeeeee!
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Parenthood is actually American. It's really good though. The relationship between the siblings and the dynamic between the actors is really wonderful. I haven't seen a lot of Korean family dramas (because of the 50+ eps thing) but the one I saw (Assorted Gems) I really hated.
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I haven't seen too many family dramas too, and the ones I have seen are the shorter versions. I loved "Family's Honour" to bits and kind of disliked the most of "Three Brothers".
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I have some wonderful RL friends to whom I often explain the simplified plot of whatever I'm watching; they find it amazing ("guy falls off a cliff and gets amnesia! Is rescued by a girl and her father! Falls in love with girl and is going to marry her but gets amnesia again! DOUBLE AMNESIA!" or "girl is a nun! She has to crossdress as her plastic-surgery-striken brother...IN A BOYBAND!" etc etc) and love the ridiculousness of those kinds of stories. While I can distance myself from those sorts of plots to a certain extent, I also really really enjoy them. They're fun, they're entertaining, and they make me happy.
I tend not to watch the angsty/depressing ones because that's what I seek when I watch things; I'm looking for something to make me happy (not necessarily funny, just satisfying). Yes, there are some US/UK shows that fit the bill, but you're right - you're never sure how the romance will play out, will they go through 324980 boyfriends/girlfriends/marriages just to keep the ratings up? I have a kind of old-fashioned belief in the idea of love, I want it to be between two people who complement each other beautifully, and dramas deliver in that regard. Sure, there are scheming secondaries and tiresome love triangles, but when the OTP get together they really push that idea of love.
I could go on forever, but I won't. Thank you for the discussion! ♥
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Thank you so much!!!!!!!! I am really really enjoy everyone's comments here!!!
I also really really enjoy them. They're fun, they're entertaining, and they make me happy.
Me too. This is the truth – I like all the very realistic stuff like "Generation Kill" but I like things to be absolutely opposite to any reality as well. As in, it is nice at least to think that impossible is possible?????
I want it to be between two people who complement each other beautifully, and dramas deliver in that regard. Sure, there are scheming secondaries and tiresome love triangles, but when the OTP get together they really push that idea of love.
This is what I absolutely love too.
I could go on forever, but I won't. Thank you for the discussion! ♥
Thank you so much for your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(Anonymous) 2010-03-30 02:46 am (UTC)(link)The first thing that struck me was the seriousness of the characters in the drama, unlike the cynical characters in American tv. I love that. To me, these dramas are Romantic, by which I mean they portray men as they could be, and ought to be; whereas American tv is Naturalistic, meaning that it portrays men as they are, boring, slovenly, dishonest, you name it. I want to see men (and women, like Jang Geum) as heroes, not as losers.
The other big thing I like, as many others here have said, is the format of the dramas. You see one complete story, with a beginning, middle, and end. It is very much like a novel dramatized on film. It leads up to a climax, and then quickly winds down to an end. American shows, by contrast, have no end, just a beginning and an endless continutation, until the ratings drop.
I am not bothered by cliches, such as the inevitable love triangle (or quadrangle). If they do it well - and the almost always do - it is just as effective and legitimate as any unconventional plot.
I love seeing people serious about fighting for their values. I hate seeing people slouching through life like it didn't matter.
K-dramas win hands down against your average American show.
Chuck Salvi
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This is a very good definition of the differences between the American and Asian TV shows. Sometimes I have a mood for honest reality and sometimes I want to see the world differently, the world where things like honesty and romantic love lasting through many years exist.
I am not bothered by cliches, such as the inevitable love triangle (or quadrangle). If they do it well - and the almost always do - it is just as effective and legitimate as any unconventional plot.
Yes, the majority of the Asian dramas set the love triangles in a very nifty way, there is usually no question of "who is the best for each other". The only recent drama that I remember that had a very confusing love triangle was "Boys Before Flowers". There were more OTP-building scenes between Ji Hoo and Jan Di than between Jun Pyo and Jan Di. It was really odd.
K-dramas win hands down against your average American show.
Agree.
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Yes, this is an excellent point. I agree - it seems that one of the main purposes of Asian dramas is to be a support for people. I like this.
И, помимо того, что сам по себе японский язык звучит музыкой для моих ушей:) - там очень часто прекрасные песни и музыка.
I like Japanese and Korean too.