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I liked it very much!! "Rome" is my favourite à la Dumas story of two ancient Roman musketeers. Whatever is happening in Rome, Pullo and Vorenus are sure to be involved!!!! My head is hurting from triple-day over iconing, but I don't really care. :D

+ I like Simon Woods as the new Octavian, he seems to be so ENERGETIC, but I have to watch a little more of him to complete my mind.

+ But I think my loyalties to Pullo and Vorenus are seriously shaken because I do, do love Agrippa so!!! he is so straightforward and good and honest inside and is not so good with words ,especially where women are concerned, and this is one of the things I just adore in men (RL or fictional). And Octavia does seem to be rejecting him flat so this is going to be one-sided doomed love of which I am also a huge fan of.

Agrippa screencap of the day

Oh, boy!!! You better quit right now!!!!

I liked his squabbling with Maecenas (who is also lovely in a bohemian sort of way) :

+ And as to the rest , you know what is the best thing on earth? Pullo and Vorenus, of course! That after a short word exchange involving "I only said so because I wanted to make you angry" from Pullo (oh, Pullo, I love you for the way you said it was so gentle!!!) and reserved "I know" from Vorenus they quickly fell back into their normal, absolutely comfortable way with each other. And they were camping near the fire and Pullo was making hints about the slave camp and really he was saying that HE was in a slave camp once. And Vorenus was not asking a word, but just listening. ** sigh ** As long as these two are together I will watch Rome and watch more of it!!

+ But wasn't that keen on Servillia's storyline, it just seemed to be unnecessary somehow. They could have shown us more of Pullo and Vorenus, or Agrippa, Octavian and Maecenas.

Pullo and Vorenus shot of the day: Camping again!!

And EEEE! Icons!!! (I am so sorry, I can't stop just yet). Icons are free to share ,if you like I will make customizations, like text and etc., for you.
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And in the end, I have to go with what he believes himself - that he was, at that moment, ready to kill her.

I don't know, I still think he was after the boy first. It is just how that scene reads to me emotionally. Why would Niobe kill hersef otherwise? She had no way to protect her son after she died!!! I have to agree to disagree here!!!

For me, I have to approach this from THEIR mindset.

You see, if we approach entirely from their mindset, their mother was under the death sentence, so to speak. I know it was their MOTHER, but basically her killing by Vorenus could not be seen upon as some crime from their POV, right? And even cursing could have been viewed as something that is sort of applicable to the situation.

Or Niobe tragically misread the situation :P In any case, at least her dying wish was finally fulfilled, and Vorenus realized that the boy is blameless.

I know it was their MOTHER, but basically her killing by Vorenus could not be seen upon as some crime from their POV, right?

No, but remember that Vorena had faith that Vorenus would forgive them, and her mother told her that he would kill them all - and now she feels that her mother was right. Even if he was justified, I'm sure she can feel resentful (plus, he hit her just before that) - if he had not cursed them, Erastes wouldn't have taken them (or some such logic.) She can still hate him for cursing them while knowing he was in his rights to do so (a Roman father was pretty much all-powerful - if, for example, Niobe had presented baby Lucius to Vorenus and he had had doubts about the paternity, he could have tossed the kid out to die on a garbage heap and been within his rights as the paterfamilias, but Niobe would still - had she not been dead - probably been quite resentful of that act.)

And even cursing could have been viewed as something that is sort of applicable to the situation.

But again, just because Vorenus was within his rights to curse his children, doesn't mean HE doesn't regret doing it or THEY don't resent that he did it - nor does it negate the psychological power for him and for his children of his having done that.

If the curse is just words - and the characters believe it too - then Vorenus has nothing to feel guilty for, really. He is drowning in guilt because of the children - this is what he keeps coming back to with Pullo, saying that he should not have "done that" (i.e. cursed the children.) And because they "died", he feels he can never revoke the curse. He is always talking about how he caused the death of his children, and I think he is not talking about how he provoked Erastes Fulmen's anger against him that Erastes took out against the defenseless children - but of his own words of which Erastes was an instrument of fulfilment.

I think it is not possible to overestimate the meaning of words (how else does Antony get him on his feet? By calling on an oath - one that Vorenus swore under the standards of the Thirteenth - which is also "just" words. But Vorenus believes those words.)

No, but remember that Vorena had faith that Vorenus would forgive them, and her mother told her that he would kill them all

I believe that if he was told everything by Niobe (she could have confessed it to him) he would have not killed anyone. There would have been a big deal about it, but nobody would have died.

If the curse is just words - and the characters believe it too - then Vorenus has nothing to feel guilty

I think this is just my own perception. Because I am quite dramatic myself, I don't particular grudge him the words. And if he was there at the time Erastes arrived to his house, Vorenus just wold have been killed because he didn't have any protection from Caesar anymore and was alone.

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