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BSG finale

I have to make this short because of the Project of Doom thing:

1. I have watched BSG finale this morning and I had to get up an hour earlier for this because of above mentioned POD. And of course now if wish I never did because I have been VERY-VERY upset the whole day and unnecessary forceful at the meetings. Because what can the girl do when :

2. Lee’s arms, deltoids, triceps, EVERYTHING IS GONE.

3. Kara doesn’t love him anymore

4. Kara says things like “this is MY own man “ (the man I OWN)

5. EVERYBODY IS HAVING A TERRIBLE HAIRCUT DAY

6. LEE WANTS TO LEAVE all the civilians behind. MY LEE!!!

The only GOOD thing is that

queenofthorns has written this amazing fiction and now I can laugh about it and not involve my soul so much with Lee, Kara, Kara/Lee.

I SAY BIGGEST EVER THANK YOU to

queenofthorns because, I guess, BSG for about a year was a part of me and I felt really really sad that this part of me was spoiled ( and before this moment I didn’t even realise what a big part it was and how silly it is to get attached to something fictional and even probably not everything is spoiled and I am over-dramatising everything). But now I can laugh about it all..

Laugh, if you are wise

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This is THE BEST fiction!!
You know, when i first saw Lee LIKE THAT, it was so terrible!! The thing is, I must start going to the gym TOMORROW because i will be getting like that too (sorry my brain is still reeling after THE SHOCK OF MY LIFE) :D

But seriously, that moment when Lee wanted to leave civilians behind did upset me the most. R.Moore is on crack! The very same Lee who almost died saving Colonial One in the Mini Series.

** Eats some nice ice-cream ** AND THANK YOU for the chocolates and things!! I need it! I am going to read your post now ..

when Lee wanted to leave civilians behind did upset me the most.

well, he did leave civilians behind in the miniseries as well - they had to leave the ships without the FTL drives, remember? And Lee says he hates to make it a numbers game but it really is?

That part actually didn't bug me - he was right; they could stay and fight pointlessly and have the last remnants of humanity destroyed because the humans were too stupid to keep their battlestars and the rest of their fleet capable of running away and believed that the Cylons were gone. Or else they could do what Lee said - run from an untenable situation, but with the intention of coming back to fight another day... It's not like Lee and Adama are gone forever. So I actually think that was the right decision.

Kara? Upset me. Fat lee? Upset me A LOT! That just shows you how shallow I am.

(And I too am mourning the BSG I used to love; I don't know who these people are any more or why I'm supposed to care anything about what happens to them.

well, he did leave civilians behind in the miniseries as well - they had to leave the ships without the FTL drives, remember? And Lee says he hates to make it a numbers game but it really is?

** Loves you even more ** Yep, i think i was over-dramatizing this bit , i guess THE REAL reason for upset was that when Lee was talking to Adama on a phone his double chin was really pronounced. ;)

And yes, i am that shallow too BUT speaking seriously: The whole story about Cylons leaving Caprica, humans settling on new Caprica, then for some reason Cylons coming back one day is such terrible nonsense for me, so without plan and thinking-through and unlogical and mainly uninteresting ( sorry, **my only opinion disclaimer**) . The second good thing after your fiction is that Ian did stop watching BSG.. Otherwise I would never lived it down..

**On a good note - he is ordering "The Wire season 3"

(And I too am mourning the BSG I used to love; I don't know who these people are any more or why I'm supposed to care anything about what happens to them.

ANd thank you again. You helped me. A LOT!

i guess THE REAL reason for upset was that when Lee was talking to Adama on a phone his double chin was really pronounced. ;)

Hee! I feel the same way … I guess on a meta-level, it upsets me that the only one who truly looks absolutely ridiculous is Lee while Anders gets to still look all good and fit and everything even when he has pneumonia. (And I am actually all upset now at the implication that he is totally going to die – I almost want him to live just because now that Kara’s married him it’s more clear than ever that Lee is second, third, fourth-choice to her … So if she finally chooses Lee it will mean nothing at all because she’s chosen his brother, Baltar and Anders before him and circumstances are the only reason why she’s not with Zak or with Anders…)

Hee! I feel the same way … I guess on a meta-level, it upsets me that the only one who truly looks absolutely ridiculous is Lee while Anders gets to still look all good and fit and everything even when he has pneumonia.

Yep, And that he seems to have his hair in order, but Lee has this cazy "Dumb and Dumber" haircut

(And I am actually all upset now at the implication that he is totally going to die – I almost want him to live just because now that Kara’s married him it’s more clear than ever that Lee is second, third, fourth-choice to her … So if she finally chooses Lee it will mean nothing at all because she’s chosen his brother, Baltar and Anders before him and circumstances are the only reason why she’s not with Zak or with Anders…)

Agree too.. Because that if Anders dies (apart from this being a very common-place thing to have on TV) I will never be able to trust Kara’s feelings for Lee (if they ever re-appear). I honestly hope that Anders will live. He most likely will: I think it is far too obvious for everybody that he is marked to die .. and because of it he will not.

Yep, And that he seems to have his hair in order, but Lee has this cazy "Dumb and Dumber" haircut

“Dumb and Dumber” – heeee! I guess they were trying to make us understand how Kara could possibly choose Anders over Lee and the only reason they could think of was fat and bad haircut, because otherwise Lee is so awesome in every possible way …

I will never be able to trust Kara’s feelings for Lee (if they ever re-appear)

Like many other things (Roslin and Lee’s relationship, for example), it is quite possible these feelings are never going to reappear again because remember that a year ago (in our time) and slightly longer than a year ago in the show’s time, Kara was all angsting because she called out Lee’s name while having sex with Baltar, but apparently, just a few days later, she met Anders, was with him for a week and HE turned out to be the love of her life and she’s never mentioned any feelings for Lee beyond friendship ever again? But yes, I totally do not trust her feelings for him at all – she loves Anders, not Lee. And she’s had a year to decide that and she chose Anders. Lee is second-best to her, always, I think that’s pretty clear.

I guess they were trying to make us understand how Kara could possibly choose Anders over Lee and the only reason they could think of was fat and bad haircut, because otherwise Lee is so awesome in every possible way …

This is the other point: in some strange way this adds to my feeling “I don’t know who Kara is anymore and I don’t like THIS Kara” : You know, how sometimes in the fiction heroine loves some unworthy (or good but not very bright) guy and doesn’t love the guy who clearly is the best, like in Cyrano. I suppose it makes a good angst-generator, but I never could fully like this type of heroine. Unability to understand people was never a virtue in my book, this is just me

I totally do not trust her feelings for him at all – she loves Anders, not Lee. And she’s had a year to decide that and she chose Anders. Lee is second-best to her, always, I think that’s pretty clear.

Yep, it seems that way

Yeah, it's not that I don't see the seeds of who Kara is from before, it's that I think they keep making her regress ... She'll have some moment of clarity about herself, and then it gets washed away again and I don't really know what's going on. I have liked her a lot at certain points this season, and then at other points, not so much.

they keep making her regress Terrible, terrible people! Next thing she will be like Nastasia Fillipovna ;)

In unrelated matter - This icon of "Blue" is great.

Thank you so much! I always like to post with it in your journal because of the *blue* theme.

This is a very interesting question - do you make comments with icons of suitable colours?

I guess I try to do it myself, but I am crazy like that and if I am not under stress, I will not get out of the house non-colour coordinated ;)

I guess the fleet left because they supposed that the intentions of all those cylon ships that popped up was to attack them... and given they haven an skelleton crew and couln't even fly a decent CAP... they got out of there. The leave today to fight another day or something :D

I must start going to the gym TOMORROW because i will be getting like that too
Oh! Woes! Oh! I'm already like that... :/ *pops a chocolate eclair in her mouth to cheer herself up*

Oh! And Kara is so over Lee... *sobs sobs sobs*

guess the fleet left because they supposed that the intentions of all those cylon ships that popped up was to attack them... and given they haven an skelleton crew and couln't even fly a decent CAP... they got out of there. The leave today to fight another day or something :D

I guess i was too upset by Lee's appearance. ;). I guess there is a reason

Oh! Woes! Oh! I'm already like that... :/ *pops a chocolate eclair in her mouth to cheer herself up*

Hee! So am I! But us, ladies can be pretty and curvy, but poor Lee! Why did they do it to him! And i am opening a nice "Green and Black" organic chocolate bar right now which i just found miraculously on a top of my wardrobe. I actually think it appeared there by means of teleportation from Spain, because i don't remember putting it there..

Oh! And Kara is so over Lee... *sobs sobs sobs*

This what upset me so much too.. You know, everybody says "this is because she was drunk", but i often noticed that when people are drunk they are in their most honest state , "in vino veritas" so to speak. And yes, she doesn't give much thought about Lee. And this is killing me. She can sleep with the other man, i can accept it, but where "kindred spirits" gone? Where? Where is that Kara which said "Are we fine?" and said even more with her eyes?

** BUT - NOODLES!! :D **

I actually think it appeared there by means of teleportation from Spain, because i don't remember putting it there..
That's part of my evil plan for world domination... distract people with sweets... :P

She can sleep with the other man, i can accept it, but where "kindred spirits" gone? She can sleep with the other man, i can accept it, but where "kindred spirits" gone?
Excactly!! I couldn't have said it better!! That really upset me :( *sobs*

That's part of my evil plan for world domination... distract people with sweets... :P

If all world dominators were like that!

She can sleep with the other man, i can accept it, but where "kindred spirits" gone? Where? Where is that Kara which said "Are we fine?" and said even more with her eyes?

That's why I can't allow myself to get invested in this relationship (even on a "friends" level) because it obviously means nothing to the writers or to Kara - she can ask if everything is OK between them in "The Captain's Hand" and Lee can put aside whatever feelings he has for her and genuinely be a good friend to her and then for no apparent reason I can fathom, she's completely awful to him. (And I know lots of people are fanwanking that "she was drunk" or she had "no idea he has feelings for her" but honestly, saying nasty things about his girlfriend isn't even something that's cruel to someone who is romantically interested in you, it's just cruel EVEN TO A FRIEND.) I feel like Kara just doesn't place any value on Lee's friendship and she shows no interest in being a good friend to him and I just don't like her very much after these two episodse.

That's why I can't allow myself to get invested in this relationship (even on a "friends" level) because it obviously means nothing to the writers or to Kara. she can ask if everything is OK between them in "The Captain's Hand" and Lee can put aside whatever feelings he has for her and genuinely be a good friend to her and then for no apparent reason I can fathom, she's completely awful to him

Actually I am all confused on the matter as well because, I don’t know what everybody else thinks and may be it is “just me” , but I am getting really conflicting messages about Kara/Lee relationship. One day she cares for him, the other she doesn’t. It is too much for my brain and I inclined to think that this is a poor scripting and desire to be different.

And of course, her talk about Dualla is totally disgusting, it is like I saw a different person to mama-Starbuck. But then again, I suppose She didn’t say that she is Lee’s friend when he said that he is her friend. And she was spiraling down all through the season 2 second half..

DO you think she had some sings of remorse when she was talking to Lee? It did appear that she felt uneasy and may be is feeling guilty about something..

I feel like Kara just doesn't place any value on Lee's friendship and she shows no interest in being a good friend to him and I just don't like her very much after these two episode.

You know, I am very shallow but I think that Kara/Lee relationship in season 1 was the key thing for me ..And I liked everything through it ** Doesn’t want to be a complaining person and wants to find a bright side – it is all over!! **

I suppose She didn’t say that she is Lee’s friend when he said that he is her friend.

Well, then she’s just a manipulative loser, who wants to make sure Lee will always be there for her when she makes no promises to him. And I really don’t think this is what they’re going for.

I think you are right and they are just very busy trying to prepare these huge “surprises” for us and they forget that maybe they need to be consistent about how the characters interact and there is no way that the characters in “The Captain’s Hand” would be acting this way (in the early part of LDYB, I mean, even leaving aside the mysterious rift from the final half hour of Fat Lee Destroys My Soul).

It did appear that she felt uneasy and may be is feeling guilty about something..

Well, it certainly seems they had a huge rift, and I have to believe that it’s not just because Kara was so rude about Dee – although perhaps she continued to be rude about Dee to the point where Lee was forced to choose between them and he chose Dee instead of Kara? I don’t know. It did seem to me that Lee felt himself the wronged party.

The Kara/Lee relationship was definitely one of the key things for me in Season 1; and I guess I’d be OK with this (because for the most part, I found it really interesting even in Season 2 and one of the things that I have actually liked – for the most part – until these episodes, where it seemed like everything they’d gone through up till Lee hoping for Kara’s sake that she found Anders was all negated.) But they also took away Lee’s relationship with Laura, and they made his relationship with his father unconflicted, and therefore quite marginal to the story and the loss of all those things just bugs me. That and fact that it seems to me like the writers neither know nor care where they are going with Lee’s story unless it impinges on Kara’s.

Yes, at least it is all over (do you mean the season or the love or whether you're not planning to watch ever again?) I think I have seven months to decide whether I really want to watch Season 3, but I can safely say I am never going to be as invested as I once was. Much like Lee, I am very unforgiving when things disappoint me :P

Well, it certainly seems they had a huge rift, and I have to believe that it’s not just because Kara was so rude about Dee – although perhaps she continued to be rude about Dee to the point where Lee was forced to choose between them and he chose Dee instead of Kara? I don’t know. It did seem to me that Lee felt himself the wronged party.

It seems so from the Lee’s POV, but I re-watched it today and Tigh said “People change” and this implies for me that Lee was the one who did wrong. O NO!! They are destroying my soul! I was so happy that Lee was such a good friend and had gotten rid of his past bitchy habits, but no – I think they are going to have a flashback of Lee’s tantrum or something NNOOOOOOOOO!

But they also took away Lee’s relationship with Laura, and they made his relationship with his father unconflicted, and therefore quite marginal to the story and the loss of all those things just bugs me. That and fact that it seems to me like the writers neither know nor care where they are going with Lee’s story unless it impinges on Kara’s.

Yes, all these stories gone and forgotten. And yes, it seems that they don’t know where they are going with Lee’s story, but for me it is so with Kara’s storyline too. She has undergone more personality changes then chameleon in the recent episodes. At least Lee’s character development made more sense for me..

Yes, at least it is all over (do you mean the season or the love or whether you're not planning to watch ever again?)

I mean that this season is over ;), and yes – I will never be interested again too. Probably I will do similar thing like during this part of season 2 – will watch it all at once at the end.

I was so happy that Lee was such a good friend and had gotten rid of his past bitchy habits, but no â€“ I think they are going to have a flashback of Leeâ€™s tantrum or something NNOOOOOOOOO!

Oh, I had the opposite reaction to that - it didn't seem like LEE was embarassed to get call but Kara was embarassed to call, so I feel like they both know it was HER issue whatever it was ... Also, it doesn't make sense to me that he'd fight with her over her comments, however hurtful - SHE SHOT HIM and he didn't bear a grudge for that and she rejected him sexually in the most painful way possible and he didn't bear a grudge FOR THAT. It must have been something else, or else he could accept any insult to himself but maybe not to Dee. Which, I actually kind of would like him for. I don't know. I just don't think it's his fault or his fault alone.

And yes, it seems that they don’t know where they are going with Lee’s story, but for me it is so with Kara’s storyline too.

I think Kara's story is very consistent in the underlying stuff - she faces adversity, she's the hero, blahblah somehow she comes up with a plan and pulls it all out... But frankly, maybe you're right - I just don't really care about Kara that much so I don't care if her story is consistent or not ...

I think I will be interested in the show on an intellectual level, perhaps, but I will never be able to LOVE it the way I used to.

Oh, I had the opposite reaction to that - it didn't seem like LEE was embarassed to get call but Kara was embarassed to call, so I feel like they both know it was HER issue whatever it was ...

I so hope that you are right!

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